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Let's Talk - Movies
Jaws "Franchise" - Vol. 01
Let's Talk - Movies
Episode 44: Jaws "Franchise" - Vol. 01
Jason Connell and Sal Rodriguez revisit the classic movie franchise and talk about all things in the Jaws universe.
“The terrifying motion picture from the terrifying No. 1 best seller.”
Jaws (1975)
Synopsis: When a killer shark unleashes chaos on a beach community off Cape Cod, it's up to a local sheriff, a marine biologist, and an old seafarer to hunt the beast down.
Producer: David Brown, Richard Zanuck
Director: Steven Spielberg
Writer: Peter Benchley (book), Carl Gottlieb (screenplay)
Cinematographer: Bill Butler
Camera Operator: Michael Chapman
Composer: John Williams
Production Designer: Joe Alves
Editor: Verna Fields
Cast: Roy Scheider, Robert Shaw, Richard Dreyfuss, Lorraine Gary, Murray Hamilton, Carl Gottlieb, Jeffrey Kramer
Recorded: 08-15-23
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Whoa, just curious what kind of just curious media this is let's talk movies. And I'm Jason Connell, on the show. Today I'm joined by special guest, Sal Rodriguez.
Sal Rodriguez:Jason, thanks for having me. Of course. Now
Jason Connell:you come here all the time, because you're always part of just curious media as a long standing co host on Let's Talk Cobra Kai. And that's a crime, and a special special guest on Let's Talk movies from time to time.
Sal Rodriguez:Yes, I enjoy being in front of the family. Thank you,
Jason Connell:friend of the family, for the family. But this episode in particular, I really wanted to have you on because it's been brewing in my mind. And that is a Jaws franchise episode, Volume One, because I could delve into jaws. Sure, right, my favorite movie of all time. And we could even talk about the sequels that be, but because of some recent events, I wanted to come here and just kind of talk about the franchise as a whole. And here we are wearing blue shirts.
Sal Rodriguez:I didn't even think about it, but I maybe subconsciously thought about it.
Jason Connell:Yeah, I think he did. So where to begin. So this is not your usual episode, we're not going to do a deep dive, pun intended into jaws and like, get all that is its own episode back. That's many, many episodes. But let's start with drawers. Because that's where it all starts. And it all feeds off that my cast is going to happen all night. Because I also recently interviewed someone part of the creative team from Jaws, and it was an honor. And we've actually both met him in person years ago. And just kind of stirred up some things. And I really wanted to have this discussion. And I know you can bring some things on the collectible side. So I don't know what are your thoughts so far? Excited?
Sal Rodriguez:I'm very excited to be here because I want to make sure that I mentioned Jason, please, as I sit here at this very moment. I am two minutes away from Universal Studios Hollywood. Where? Yeah, there is the jaws attraction. Yeah, two miles away from me. Two miles.
Jason Connell:I love it. Well, wait, why don't you walk over? I'll be back. I actually should have queued up some of those photos because I've been there and it blew my mind. It was amazing have done the whole Amity fake Amity thing. Yes, JAWS is in my heart. It's been my favorite movie. Since I was a kid. I was watching it on HBO. I was eight years old. So I didn't see it in the theater. I did not but HBO came out early on and it would get movies like you know, one or two years, three years in, and I would just watch it incessantly. And I was like, captivated by it but also terrified. So terrified that I go to my grandmother's pool and be like, this little touch and go here. Because I always this young, eight, nine years old, very impressionable, and the lake. Because I grew up in Oklahoma, there's no ocean, you go to the lake and you can't even see it's just dirt, dirty water. And it's like, I'm not come on now. Jaws is everywhere. So I couldn't look away though. Because as you get older, you start to realize why that's great filmmaking, the texture, the characters, the primal fear. The not over showing me a shark letting me just think about the shark. It was brilliant filmmaking. It was Steven Spielberg at his greatest and his earliest or one of his earliest, you know, outputs after duel, a TV movie. So I was always loving it as you get older, you can always flip flop like, Oh, my favorite movie is. And at one point in time, I just said it's just gonna be drawers. It'll always be drawers, it makes it easier to answer. Right? So I don't know where Jaws ranks for you on your best of series or best of movie list? Well, it definitely
Sal Rodriguez:iconic when I look at movies, when I look at the ocean, I want to look at the legacy and so forth. But you just got me thinking about Steven Spielberg himself after duel, then jaws. And then it almost seems like his Well, no,
Jason Connell:sorry. He did do Sugarland Express after duel, but it was like a little movie kind of setting up that he could work with bigger budgets.
Sal Rodriguez:But okay, but But when I think of duel, and when I think of jaws, and then you look at subsequent movies, it's almost like he took a departure and didn't really revisit the genre. After that, did he did he do anything like duel or Jaws after duel and jaws? No. Yeah, so it was I wonder what Steven Spielberg could do today in the genre of horror and thriller, Thriller Horror.
Jason Connell:That's true. Well, I've got topics to talk to Mrs. White's this volume one because we could probably just go forever. Like I'm even thinking now to this conversation having Carl on this other show, which we'll talk about all of that. But yeah, even tonight, before we started recording, I was talking to Sophia about, you know, it's been a long time since there was a jaw was film and I don't mean a shark movie. I mean, a Jaws film. Sure. So you're right is Spielberg back at the helm or someone else but as for Spielberg, sure he could have done things like psycho, or I just mean that, like he could pull those strings, but he was always pushing the envelope. And he went off and made close encounters. So he was always reinventing himself in a lot of respects. And thankfully he was we were getting ETS, and we were getting, you know, all these beautiful movies, Jurassic Park, and he did come back for that sequel, which was kind of weird. I didn't really love it. But whatever. You know, it's hard to always be on top too. But this movie holds up because it just holds up. And it's a reason there's always screenings and people celebrating it, including ourselves, which we'll talk about. But it just had this incredible cast to you and Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfus, Robert Shaw, the three big heavies. And it's a great book, written by Peter Benchley, best seller, and universal landed it and we're just trying to figure out how to make this. And I mean, if it went to another director, we're not talking about jobs today. You know, and so it was Spielberg but it was also the brilliance of one Carl got loon who was the screenwriter, and basically lived with Spielberg on Martha's Vineyard. And they were writing what was going to happen the next day, like that's how the movie just because they're on the open sea, they have a mechanical shark and mechanical sharks always having issues and not working, and they got to come up with things. So it was like, not how you want to make a movie, but for Spielberg to be brilliant that he is, and come up with little things. And I'm sure Carl was helping as well. He's also very, very intelligent person, and writer, where you see the yellow barrels pop up in Jaws, because the shark wasn't working. But now we know the shark is there. It's all the audience needs is like to believe. So in essence, it made the movie better. And you know, we can talk about that forever as well. But my love comes from that. Not understanding it from a filmmaking standpoint as a kid and just appreciating the movie and then later you revisit it, and you've seen it 100 times. And now you're like, wow, looking at it technically. And it still works. It's a masterpiece. No doubt about it. If you
Sal Rodriguez:can see behind the curtain. Yeah, and yes, and nail go back.
Jason Connell:Not be disappointed. Yeah, that
Sal Rodriguez:says a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Hang
Jason Connell:on. Here's the poster, if you will. Hulu,
Sal Rodriguez:which is based, I just learned the book cover was similar. But the jaws movie poster is a redesign of the book cover.
Jason Connell:That's right. That's right. The shark looks a little more playful. I've actually read the novel. I didn't read it initially. But I read it maybe like 10 years ago. And I was fascinated by the differences because you have to make differences. Novels can't just turn into movies without change. Yes. But like Richard Dreyfus, his character was having an affair with Roy Schneider's wife. Yes. And hello. Interesting line. They went down there, but I'm glad the movie refrained from that that would have been Hooper and Brody probably would have been fighting and it would, it would have added elements but you didn't need it in the movie. Like you just didn't need it in the movie. And there's a lot of differences beyond that. But it was a great novel. And it set the stage for this. I mean, this iconic image sound. And we can talk about collectibles. There's, I only have a loose outline, because this conversation can go all over the place. But that iconic poster image says it all and lit up the world as far as merchandise and collectibles back in the day. In fact, this movie because it was so popular on so many screens, they had to you know, this was a different era. They weren't just rolling movies out like they are now on every screen and nationwide. Now we had to build an audience. So a slow roll that so word of mouth spread. So then you remember back in the day, Sal and he would draw you grew up in Los Angeles or the valley, Los Angeles adjacent. And you would see lines around the block. Oh, yeah, remember that like those like movie go see return to the Jedi as kids. We had our soccer outfits on and you would literally stand in line for three hours for the last screen to get out. And then you would go in. And this movie got the term coined blockbuster, because it would be like okay, that block waiting to get into the dome in Hollywood. But merchandise you've seen it everywhere. This is on shirts. It's on lunchboxes, it's on lunch pails. It's any and everywhere, you know posters of course. But you sell Rodriguez, your introduction to jaws? Did you see it in the theater?
Sal Rodriguez:I believe I did see jaws in the theater. My parents were big movie goers. Well, hang on. Let me let me take that back. That may sound interesting to somebody because if you look at when I was born, you look at I would have been two years old when my Parents would have taken me to see jaws. And some people may think what your parents couldn't have taken you to see Jaws when you were two. They absolutely could have and probably did take me to see Jaws when I was two. Just like it took me a collection though. No, no, no, they but they definitely took me to all those 70 movies, all the 70s movies of the 70s. From the mid to the late. We definitely we were going to the VISTA and the new art and the fox. There was also the Fox Theater in Los Angeles. I love that you were going to the VISTA. Yeah, yeah, we'll get to the jaws 3d later. But yes, I absolutely saw jaws in the theater, but had no recollection. Because I was so young. I probably saw more movies when I was a little kid than I did as a teenager.
Jason Connell:Well, that's amazing. So you saw it before me but you didn't remember it right away. So there's there's that it took a little while. So Sal was it John's that got you into becoming a toy collector.
Sal Rodriguez:It actually wasn't Jason. But I'll tell you this along the way, as I'm getting involved in other licenses and franchises. We're waiting for Josh's stuff. There wasn't a whole lot of just stuff available to be collected. Not many toys. Not many at all. I do remember there was some sort of Jaws game when I was a kid where you had to reach into this Jaws mouth pull out little artifact. Yeah. And then it would snap.
Jason Connell:I'm not even sure if that was Jaws license.
Sal Rodriguez:Exactly. It could have been a book laughter It could have been a bootleg. But over the years, they haven't actually opened up. They haven't opened the jaw up of the licensing for Johnson. So when Jaws related items do arrive. Oh boy, we are big time excited. And I'm excited to share some of those things with you today.
Jason Connell:Me too. And so we'll put a pin in that because we're still going down this path of Jaws franchise volume one. So the first movie epic changes everything. It starts blockbusters, how you release movies is different, for better for worse, right? Because you could love the 70s movies pre Jaws where they had the tragic ending, you know those types of movies or it was just there was a lot of great filmmakers making great movies Godfather godfather to the conversation. You know, just movies that Harold and Maude being there, Chinatown. It was a different time. And then boom, here's Jaws, followed by Star Wars. It's like the studio heads like, no, we want more of those. Those are like we can make more than one. We can make Trilogies or sequels and trilogies, we can sell merch. So for better for worse, it started a trend. Now I like both sides of that I like the earlier movies from these amazing directors in the 70s and 80s, or even 6070s and 80s. But I also love the stuff that came after Jaws being at the front of it all. And Star Wars of course had a huge impact on me and my childhood. But what Star Wars got right. And JAWS unfortunately didn't. With his subsequent movies. Like The Empire Strikes Back is many regarded stronger, it's better than its predecessor, Star Wars. I don't fall into that camp. I think it's Star Wars and its empire and they're like one and two, and then there was return to the Jedi. And then now there may there was a big lol and now they're making Star Wars movies again, and some of them are actually very good, like Rogue One. Unfortunately, this franchise made a sequel not unfortunately for the sequel. Here's the sequels poster. Jaws two. It also had the greatest tagline that I can recall. So do you remember the tagline for this movie?
Sal Rodriguez:Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water? Boom,
Jason Connell:sells itself? That's right. Great tagline. You didn't have Spielberg? Okay, he's not there. And I want to kind of get back on Carl Gottlieb and everything else. But Carl Gottlieb was brought on to write the script, save the script. They were making a movie he comes in, and they start to get it back on the right course. Right? Like, Oh, this guy knows what he what he's doing. Should have hired him initially. But they didn't. Also Roy Schneider's back as Martin Brody. You have a few other characters back his wife Lorraine Gary. So no i Dreyfus Shaw's unfortunately, spoiler alert is killed can be original Johnson. But it's a different entity. Although still a good movie for what it is. Now. I just watched it before I had my conversation with Carl Gottlieb. And you're going Oh, wow. I like this. I didn't remember this because I hadn't seen it in a long time. And then eventually, there's some eye rolls and some because it's just not as strong. Sure. But for a shark movie, because we've seen a million knock offs. It holds up. The problem is after this, and then there's two more and they just slowly go down and Carl has this great line, which he shares in our interview was how did he put it? The last equal is the one that doesn't make any money. Yes. So when you hit the dud there it is. Right Ain't no Star Wars. I think Lucas just wanted to tap out. They all made money. He just took a long break. And then he eventually sold the rights to Disney. And then they rebooted everything. So I keep waiting for this franchise to get that rebirth resurgence. But it is fun now years later to go back and visit these flaws and all I mean, the credit card has flaws. I think the first movies remarkable, a masterpiece. The second movie is very good. Better than Jaws two, I would say. But by the credit card three, it's just like, oh my gosh, people are taking a payday and, and you had a lot of the original people and the Karate Kid part three. So by the time you get to Josh, nice. Nobody from the first two movies is in this movie. Yes.
Sal Rodriguez:Do you know Jason, let me pause you for a second. Do you know why studios? Wouldn't you just automatically invite the crew back? I mean, what why wouldn't you?
Jason Connell:Yeah, no, I think that are not our cast as well. Sure. So I should point out that Syncro crew did come back. Carl was brought back on to save this movie. They didn't write it with him. He didn't write it. But they realize what are we doing? Get Gottlieb in here. And he comes in and he writes it. And he saves it and Joe Albs who worked on the first one. And may He plywood on the second one too. And we met him and we'll get into that as well. He directed. And of course this is a time when studios were releasing 3d. Remember Friday the 13th kind of 3d and jaws in 3d wasn't really in 3d. Well, there was a there was a Parana in 3d. I don't know which one it was. But it's funny that if you say Did you ever see Jaws three. The first thing people remember is the 3d aspects. Where anything else is like, you know, the cat. I just watched this other night. It does have Louis Gossett Jr. It does have Dennis Quaid. I forgot. And they reunited years later in enemy mine, which is a really fun sci fi movie. But there are some players in there and he is playing a character from the first two movies. Who is Mike Brody, son of Sheriff Martin Brody. So there's a reference is a tie in. But they're at like some amusement park and it's all of the story but not a bad movie. Like if it was called something else. Like shark Zilla are just still whatever it was called teeth. I mean, if there's a Sharknado teeth, it would have been like, Oh, that's not a bad movie, you know, and they may have made a sequel but it was tying into the legacy of jaws and it didn't really
Sal Rodriguez:fit. Well. Also, they were trying to jump on the bandwagon of the 3d trend. There's that also the fact that third one yes the opportunity because it's three otherwise they couldn't adjust for three days that would ascend razor
Jason Connell:razor in 3d now. We needed jobs. Okay, let's get jobs now. And I think it made money, obviously to Gottlieb's point, but And let me just bring up the fourth one and then what kind of hits give it another point there one more point. Do
Sal Rodriguez:you know the year of 3d,
Jason Connell:the 3d came into existence? No, no, no, no. The year of jobs 3d. Well, let's go through that real quick. Then just to be clear, JAWS comes out. 1975 Okay, right. The original the OG? Yes. Jaws to 1978. So three years later, not back. And then Jaws 3d. 83. Yeah, five years after there was a gap course.
Sal Rodriguez:That's a good time. It was a good time for 3d movies at that time.
Jason Connell:Four years later, Jaws The Revenge. 1987
Sal Rodriguez:unofficially JAWS for I call
Jason Connell:it four. It does have tie ins. It's like the textile jobs. It's the next jobs. It's like The Next Karate Kid. And next Friday kid had Pat Marita, this has Lauren Gary reprising her role from the first to Mike Brody is some other kid he's the lead in the last star fighter. If you ever saw that sci fi movie, a lot of fun. So it's a different Mike Brody. It's not Dennis Quaid. It's a different one. And it also has Michael Caine, believe it or not, wonderful actor Michael Caine. And Mario van Peebles. So I had never seen it. I think I tried to watch it years ago, I was like what is going on? So I put it on a few days ago, watched it. Not as bad as I anticipated, but there's one device that you can not get over. So this one's more in line with the first two. The third one's an anomaly. There at some park amusement park, kind of like a SeaWorld and a shark infiltrates SeaWorld, and it What if it wasn't for the mike Brody character? There'd be no tie in at all because they're like in Florida. In this movie? There were two sons to Sheriff Brody. Okay. Sean and Mike. Sean's the youngest. He's now the police chief. Because father's passed away. There's like a photo of Roy Scheider in his character. And the moms there of course, but this is the problem. It's called They'll revenge. Yes. And that's not our revenge. It's the sharks revenge. Because the first one the shark was killed. Yes, that terrorized spoiler spoiler are Amedy I guess it's Amity. The second one. Roy Scheider killed what Roy shot or killed the shark in the first chapter kills the shark. This
Sal Rodriguez:boiler all over this episode.
Jason Connell:I'm all over the place and the fourth one. A new shark is after the Brody family. Whoa, it's
Sal Rodriguez:personal.
Jason Connell:Hang on, right here. This time. It's personal. Nailed it. So, more spoilers. He kills Sean. Sean Brody, and he's chasing Mike. And Mike is in Florida. He leaves Amman, he goes to Florida. I don't even like warm water. And then the moms there and it's after the mom and it's after Mike Brody and Michael Caine and Mario van Peebles have to help and they eventually kill the shark. This after Revenge this shark
Sal Rodriguez:is like is like this shark is like the descendant of the original shark. Yeah,
Jason Connell:and no less so was like a little baby and was told that the Brody's or the roadies of Amity sell as much as I was like this not that bad. I mean, they they spent money. There's some homage is the problem is you're never gonna get past the ludicrous se of shark taking it person. You
Sal Rodriguez:know, you know, Jason, one thing that stands out to me is as you show each subsequent movie poster, it starts to look more and more like a MAD magazine cover. It's like listen for steak, right?
Jason Connell:Wait for Joss five? Oh, no, no. So
Sal Rodriguez:this is the guy in a car with the rearview mirror of the beach.
Jason Connell:Yeah, exactly. So the problem is the goods just got watered down. Yeah, they weren't like coming back and making. Well, let's take it over here. So I think this one comes out in 87. Obviously a real low point. enough time to reinvent the franchise. I mean, there's all these other short movies, you know, so many open water, the indie version, you have deep blue sea mag, mag two's coming out. And they're all silly, right? I mean, open water was actually enjoyable, but it's a whole other thing. It's like two people lost at sea. And it's it's they're kind of terrifying. They're like scuba diving, and then they do a headcount, and they forgot to people, which is really happened, but it's getting fired. Right? Well, they don't make it and so there's that, but it's not this type of movie, popcorn movie. This I think this franchises do for if you're not going to remake the original, which I think is like, Whoa, no, you could make it based on you could have reimagined Jason
Sal Rodriguez:I got it. Here it is. It's a pretty. It's a pretty cool. Oh, yeah, pretty cool. But young Brody, a young Quint. Yeah, right. 1010 years prior 20 years prior.
Jason Connell:They weren't they weren't hanging out.
Sal Rodriguez:Oh, no. It would be that you were just showing them showing the young Brody shortly on Quint. How about the young Hooper? Yeah, going through school. You show all these guys 10 years, 20 years earlier? On the way up? I think a prequel could work and good to bring on Spielberg for a prequel hit pie
Jason Connell:be like in a producer. Exactly. You need like he does pie doesn't want to tell you what, you're right. But let someone else I think it's time to try because I've seen too many schlocky sharp movies or at least avoided them.
Sal Rodriguez:So I like Sharknado It was fun. Well, yeah, well, there you
Jason Connell:go. But I'm just telling you if you made something good, yes, very good. And not trying to rip anything off. You have a whole new franchise on your hands. Because I'm telling you, you walk down the street or let me go back to the real poster. Even just yesterday, I'm at a supermarket kid with a shirt on. On the back that cover like it's mocked up. I think it's a beer company out here called Narragansett beer. Yes. And it says crush it like Quint. That's the slogan. Crush it like quaint and is there beer, and then there's that image. It's like, it's everywhere. And it's not a girl up there. It's like a fisherman, but it's the shark. It's iconic. It's never died. But that's what
Sal Rodriguez:I mean about the movie poster cover is look at the utter vulnerability there. Yeah, completely vulnerable.
Jason Connell:Completely. There's no
Sal Rodriguez:craft. There's no watercraft. No motor run nowhere to hide. You're in their domain. Yes. Good luck to you.
Jason Connell:I've surrendered that I told that to Carl. I've surrendered to the fact that that's their domain. I'm find on land. If a land shark wants to get me that's fine. But I am not going to spend too much time in their domain. I mean swimming out here and I'm in last time I was in Hawaii. Yeah, that's actually really nice water to swim in but also Sharky. So it's like have 20 people before me in the in Amen. I'm kind of good.
Sal Rodriguez:Isn't there a vacuum cleaner like the shark? Isn't it like the what is it? Oh, yeah, yeah, you won't even use I recognize
Jason Connell:that sound anywhere? Yeah. I'm back in Canada short film from the film festival. So that's that quickly this the beats of all the movies now, this franchise discussion volume one can go any and everywhere. But let's pivot to we could talk about Carl and how we met Him or do you want to go into merch now some of the collectibles?
Sal Rodriguez:Well, whatever you like the my collectibles are yearning to be free. Let's do your collectibles. Well some of them you said you had something too, didn't you?
Jason Connell:Oh, I do, buddy but I want to see your the collector or the tiller.
Sal Rodriguez:So aside from things that came out in yesterday or yesterday, or I mean, like in the wake of the motion pictures back in the you know, late 70s, early 80s Aside from that, and we would need to Google what was the official merch and what was bootleg? Yeah, recently, a company called Funko has released a shark along with super seven so fun code super seven release of shark we will get to that. But first more recent releases by NECA NECA has released I've heard an echo allow Yes. NECA has released a Hooper.
Jason Connell:Oh, hang a little a little shiny. There. Let me see. Oh, he's in a scuba gear.
Sal Rodriguez:There we go. Yeah, there's two different versions of this. One version of Hooper. He's in the scuba outfit, like this one here that I'm showing you. The other is I think it's called Amity arrival, I think called Amity arrival, shows him as he's dressed when he first arrives in Amity. What is this one say below? His name? Hooper? There it says there shark cage? Oh, yeah, that cage and last. I just wanted to show it in the packaging. I'm just going to take it out real quick. That will take it out that window. No, I'm not all the way but I'm taking it out from the from that. And showing
Jason Connell:Sal Rodriguez never takes out to play. There we go. Wow. So the another head you can pop the head off. And that is super played by Richard Dreyfus. He's actually very wealthy scientist, studies sharks, and has a big role in the original movie that looks great, man. And so that's a recent so as I'm saying, Dreyfus has not made a Jaws movie since 1975. And they're still making figures.
Sal Rodriguez:You could go to Target or Walmart as we speak, and possibly find. Okay, you can prove it. I can't see your first shark cage. But no, what I wanted to show is that oh, please is I just wanted to show if I were a kid, and now we're in a bathtub. I would totally be playing with Cooper and my
Jason Connell:Steve. I would have Hooper.
Sal Rodriguez:Yeah. I really love that. I didn't get the Amity arrival. I got instead the
Jason Connell:so you don't have to lie. You're probably going to play with him at bath tonight. So it's okay.
Sal Rodriguez:Well, I gotta scrub my bathtub first. Okay, next is the first one actually came out. This is the first character who came out and that is quit.
Jason Connell:Oh my gosh. Robert Shaw. Yeah, there is look at quite now that's more recent as well, right. This came out only like a year or two ago. That's its target. So one of those in the bottom right. Different
Sal Rodriguez:sort of cans cans of something. Oh, yeah. It
Jason Connell:crushed it like Quint. He was always drinking a beer
Sal Rodriguez:because the beer cans baseball bat and machete rifle. What do you call it? harpoon gun?
Jason Connell:Yeah, you know what? I don't see there. A bigger boat.
Sal Rodriguez:There's not a bigger boat. I
Jason Connell:see a boat at all. I mean, you know, I want to take the likeness though. I know. It's hard for us to see but the likeness looks really good. He also looks like Dabney Coleman. Just a little,
Sal Rodriguez:you know, you know what pains me and it gets me in the fields. Jason is when I see a figure like this a beautiful likeness of Robert Shaw. He never got to live to see this. He never saw this. That's his family as somebody whose family will get to have this. But that's a beautiful blindness.
Jason Connell:Again, another actor who has not made a shark movie what Jaws movie since 1975. Technology if they did one of these back in the day, I'm sure it didn't look anything like Robert Shaw. No, okay,
Sal Rodriguez:it did not end up probably.
Jason Connell:That's really noisy. So I'll just put it aside. Okay, what's the third one I mixed? Okay,
Sal Rodriguez:so while I'm starting with this, this is not a jaws. But this is to set the stage. Set this Jaws knock off. Oh, what is that? This is this is a WWE wrestler action figure. Okay, so she's swimming there. This is page from Mattel swimming
Jason Connell:oh my god, we have terrified
Sal Rodriguez:This is the fun co super seven figure that came out of the mouth. I'll look at that. Yeah, this came out of oh, maybe we have six seven years ago. A phone call super seven was available commercially target Walmart, etc. Also mail order also FYI, Bruce. Yeah, Bruce. There he is. Sounds pretty good. Now there's also a bloody version. I think it was a 2015 convention exclusive bloody version, where he is swallowing up a Quint figuring Oh, there's a Quint fingering all bullets all bloody. Also by fanca. Also by Funko. Super seven. Yes. Amazing. This is non collectible. By the way. I believe that this shark in particular has officially gone collectable.
Jason Connell:You need to put him back in his case. His package.
Sal Rodriguez:Still Oh, one more thing inside of his mouth. Well, what was that oxygen Take the scuba tech.
Jason Connell:Oh, that's what did he man if he wasn't such like a hungry guy, but he just can't help himself. Alright, so amazing. Love it. Thank you for sharing. Let's go back in time, so I want to call it 2014 2015 Sal Rodriguez asked for my address. Yes. Of which I said no, no, I did give you my
Sal Rodriguez:telling you where I live.
Jason Connell:And you sent me a jaws? collectible. Yep, it was Bruce. But it wasn't Funko it was the what was the other company? Was it Nikka. Now the other company, super seven. It was super seven super seven years. And I kept it in the case. I was so impressed with it. I was just like, God, this thing is it just I don't have it. Now. I actually moved like, four times since then. So I gifted it as a gift. I never took it out. I respected it. I was touched. I wish I if I hadn't moved a few times and cross the countries of this, that and the other. I would have loved it with my trophies. But it was like, wow, the lightness and again, that's 2014 2015 a brand new model from the 1975 movie. So it was just really impressive. Like, wow, these things are still coming out. And they're getting better and better. And this movie is that all which speaks to its greatness. its staying power.
Sal Rodriguez:Yeah, there's a lot to be said for the fact that you could be on a toy aisle today in a major distributor and see a toy from a movie 48 years old.
Jason Connell:It's not because there's a shortage of like, oh, that's a shark movie. No, it's because it's a classic. It's an American class. Oh, Jason.
Sal Rodriguez:Jason, please forgive me before I forget, because you just sparked my memory jog my memory. Okay. I was on a game show recently. You were I was on a game show called split second. And one of the Okay, one of the questions was about movie quotes. And one of the movie quotes. The answer was, we're gonna need a bigger boat. was a question on a game show that I was just on? Yep. Yep.
Jason Connell:Who said it in the movie? Do you remember? That was Brody for sure. It was definitely probably speaking to Quint. Yep. And it's a great line. And but the movie, just my point being, it's not because it filled a void and like, oh, yeah, it's a scary shark movie. No, it's a great movie that just happens to be about a shark. And it's like, wow, that's the takeaway. It's iconic. But when you get into it, you don't even see the shark for 45 minutes. Yeah, part of what makes it great. Now, unfortunately, the fear is if you make Jaws now or the prequel now, you're gonna see G it up, and you're gonna see a shark way too much. So you'd have to have restraint. You'd have to study this movie and say, Oh, no, that's too easy. We're not doing that. And hopefully, us live action as not a live action short. You know, they do footage in the movies. They always do footage of a real shark. But then they but do something where it's a hybrid and not just the deep blue sea shark movie where it's like, Are you kidding me? Am I supposed to believe this? That's probably been the fear. How do we do it? Jason's eventually I think we're ready.
Sal Rodriguez:Since we're talking. Do you think the whole Shark Week phenomenon on was it the animal planet or travel channel? What is it on?
Jason Connell:It just happened recently?
Sal Rodriguez:Do you think that the Shark Week phenomenon has made people more or less afraid of sharks? Yeah, I
Jason Connell:don't know. There's a lot of shows that shark wranglers and people doing things. I think we're more open to it. But I think the fear is there. Like it's funny with me too, after I saw jaws so many times. It's a fear, fascination. Yeah. You know, you're terrified. You can't look away. I remember getting a shark book. So I'm like, 1011, so many years after jaws. And I'd already seen jaws to several times, many, many times, I should say, because that felt familiar. There's Roy Scheider. I know him. I know his wife. Let's go on this journey. And they're going after kids. Well, not they kids are on the sailboats and the sharp corners them and birdies got to come save the day. So I'm a kid. I'm more terrified. And so anyway, I have this book, talking about shark attacks. I'm terrified. But I'm fascinated. Right fear fascination. So I think we're still have that the sea as you know, and I didn't grew up near the ocean, landlocked Oklahoma. I spent the rest of my life and California and now New England so I'm getting more and more exposure to surfers, people who work on the sea who live on the sea sailors and like wow, I didn't grow up with any of this. And even that fear in my mind is kind of further back there. But I'm not up there swimming pal. Cannot see me go to the buoys. So I think that fast nations always going to be there. So it's the great unknown. You know, we know it's full of these creatures, but where are they, you know, not that close to land. And then I'll see a documentary that counters that, like, actually, they're coming up to, you know, chasing the seals all the way up to the shore now, like, Okay, so anyway, I think there's enough interest there, and it's not going anywhere, but so I have something to share with you now. So I don't get a lot of gifts.
Sal Rodriguez:Right. What can I ask, though? The reason is Jason, and I want to know, our listeners to know in case they didn't want to give to you. Jason is a minimalist, he has an open heart. He appreciates things, but he's a minimalist. He's not like he's not a collector. So a guy like Jason, you got to be careful what you give him because, you know, it may not fit into the overall motif and theme of the his personal environment. Give me a digital gift. Oh, an NF t give him an NF T gift.
Jason Connell:Oh, I'm jealous of Joss. So here you are. I'm in Los Angeles last year. happened to be there for my birthday. Yes. And I'm going to reach down here.
Sal Rodriguez:Oh, I think I know. I forgot about this. And so the same guy that gives me Bruce. Years later gives me jaws to laser. Yes, yes. Hang on. Let me bring this. Jaws to LaserDisc. Now. I don't have a laserdisc player. But you did. So there's that I thought you but I think it's so cool. And I can open this thing up real quick because this is the original. This goes back to 78 or whatever they released. It is pretty cool. I thought it was more functional though. I thought you did have a laserdisc player though.
Jason Connell:No, no, he made me change everything. I'm just going to try to get into this really quickly. I was gonna show this to Carl but we had so many other things to talk about us.
Sal Rodriguez:For the young uns LaserDisc could have came to the marketplace been bigger, but it was beaten up by was it VHS that beat out LaserDisc?
Jason Connell:Yeah. Well, the quality's undeniable. This is way before CDs, compact discs. Yes. But like the problem is it's record size. Yes, it's this big. You can't touch it. You got it. This is like super nice cloth. You're not supposed to touch it. You could scratch it. But this is one of many discs. This is site one. Oh, you gotta flip the site to yes, there's a three. Let me just count all these real fast. Hang on.
Sal Rodriguez:It is very nice looking. A disc is a pretty disc because it's a futuristic looking disc.
Jason Connell:So there's six and all there's three discs two sided. That means movie. Start. Stop, start. Stop, start. Stop. These special features are on there.
Sal Rodriguez:Hey, use the bathroom. Get a drink. Yeah,
Jason Connell:I thought we would skip commercials. Well, kids, we're doing laser discs. Tonight. We're showing Gone With the Wind. It's 29 deaths now. So I think it's cool. I even thought about getting a laserdisc player just to kind of go retro. But I think it's really neat. And I Yes, in hindsight, it would have been cool to show car but at least I brought it on here with you. So I'm anticipating my third gift coming something with jaws and 3d, you're going to surprise me at some point in time for my next gift and
Sal Rodriguez:the glasses would be neat. Now that I'm wondering, as far as collectibles go, imagine if you had a pair of those original 3d Jaws.
Jason Connell:Glad I had them. You did? Well, I went to the movie and you
Sal Rodriguez:would have been able to take them home with you. Yeah, because you know what that was before the days. You have the big black ones that you dump in the right dump in the pile. Back then you took them home with you.
Jason Connell:You took them home. That movie was the first time that I was in the theater and sitting there. And I was disappointed. Because I was just an 83. So an 83. I was 12 Yes. So I'm like, Ah, yeah, okay. I mean it just because it didn't feel draws to me, right. I liked the 3d aspect. And there was some moments in the movie that were fine. But it was just so foreign from what I knew from Jaws and the jaws too. So that was what I was experiencing inside. Like, this isn't really what I thought it would be. But nonetheless, I enjoyed it for what it was and years later. I appreciated it more. Okay, let's pivot for a second here. So I've mentioned his name a few times Carl Gottlieb because we met him way back when, in 2009 at the Los Angeles United Film Festival, because I was able to secure the world premiere of The shark is still working the impact and legacy of jaws. And so these filmmakers made this like three hour anything You Ever Wanted to Know About Jaws documentary, and they were sitting on it like do we I heard about it online. I started chasing them. We have a film festival you're always trying to secure new films as well as get submissions and being the shark and jaws fan than I am I went after it had to like talk to the four producers and the director and finally got them to agree to the world premiere they are not a word Living in Los Angeles, they all flew out. This is where you come in because you saw this happening. This was becoming an event we were. This is like the move is so meta. We were selling out screenings of this documentary at our festival and we had to keep making screenings, which is like, why this is like the movie. It was the blockbuster for our festival. Because we played it when we screened it in Los Angeles. We had people from the movie, no Spielberg No, John Williams, and Roy Scheider had recently passed away, Peter Benchley had recently passed away. They're both in the dark. But we had Carl Gottlieb, that's where I'm at in the writer. We had Michael Chapman who worked on the movie, he went on to be an incredible cinematographer on so many huge movies. It's not even funny. Joe Albs worked on tons of things had some of the cast. And that was an amazing screening. And we had a Jaws head and lobby made by Greg Nicotero, who went on to do Walking Dead. And so I have some photos. And I think he might even be in a couple. But here we go. There's the shark Ed, there's the filmmakers from the shark is still working. And there I am right there. Yep. My little United shirt on there. Nice.
Sal Rodriguez:I don't think I've seen that. There's I haven't seen this.
Jason Connell:Yeah, that was the shortcut. You saw the shortcut in the lobby, because you're right there next to it a lot. Hey, there is there's Bruce. Now here's Carl Gottlieb. Michael Chapman, rest in peace. And you may recognize him. He's in the movie. He's a deputy. He works with the sheriff Martin Brody. I their Jeffrey Kramer plays Hendrix. So it was amazing to meet them and others. And there they are on stage. Carl's got the mic. Joe Albs, who also directed jaws and 3d and Michael Chapman, the late Michael Chapman. I mean, these guys legendary
Sal Rodriguez:and that was on stage at the Los Phillies three or was that was at Los
Jason Connell:Felice three los Phillies three. Yeah, Michael Chapman. I got to know him. We went to lunch one time we caught up he was just an incredible guys. So so talented. I mean, Sal, he was cinematographer on movies like Raging Bull, taxi driver, the fugitive, I mean big time, right, like big time. And Joel was I know that that was like one of the first times he directed, but he was like production designer on Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Of course, he was in the shark is still working production designer on Jaws production designer on John Carpenter's Escape from New York. So these are heavy hitters from those days. And I was just there that night in awe. And you were up there on stage doing that q&a. I remember vividly so you had this mic off to these guys. Well, now this is a year later. We had Carl Gottlieb at the VISTA. We played jaws on 35 millimeter, and honored Carl Gottlieb with a Lifetime Achievement Award. And this is the following festival. So it's May of 2010. And we also put his handprints in front of the VISTA theater, the same theater that you went to as a kid. We were doing this and now Quentin Tarantino has recently bought the VISTA and it's open for business. But we did a lot of these handprints but he was one of the first and it was such a great night. And Carl was very playful. They're there. He's putting his hands and he also by the way, look right there. There's a sharp knife. I don't know if it's licensed. But he put the shark in the handprint next to next to it. So it's there. I think that's a bootleg. And then there's Dante, Costa Costa. And then there's the poster for the shark is still working. And there's our man Carl Gottlieb, and they're looking at the handprints. There I am with Carl and Dante after the handprints and you know, a lot of people lined up you got to keep people back red carpet. And then there I am with Carl giving the lifetime right before we play drawers and then wait for it. Yes. Sal Ratterree. Oh, right there with myself and Carl, so
Sal Rodriguez:were you and I co moderating that night. Is that what we were doing? Well,
Jason Connell:it was a lot going on. I think what happened was Dante was helping do the handprints and then when we came inside, I wanted to honor him. So I came up to give him the award. And then you were doing the hosting. So it was a lot of Bhutan. Han you are
Sal Rodriguez:officially a festival director, officially. Founder director
Jason Connell:and I wanted to come up, say a few words. Yes. And then you got the party started. And we played very
Sal Rodriguez:cool. Jason, I just want to say something here. And that is for the benefit of the new listeners or new fans of jaws. When you look at IMDb, let's say you see written by Carl Gottlieb. And you think that that's it and you think that that's all it is? And there's so much more he's so much more involved in the creation of Jaws than just adapted screenplay. It was more than just adapted screenplay. He's way more involved. I would say next to Spielberg. There's no one else more involved in Jaws than Carl Gottlieb.
Jason Connell:Well, I'm not gonna argue with him. I don't think he would either. But there was an original script and then that had to be changed. And they had had to go on and let you know, Carl come in now Carl knew Steven. And he's I want to work with him. And then they really hunkered down in their own place, like a little house, little hut and their own bedrooms. And they would just work and eat and then write the next day script because it was really changing that often, because there was so many breakdowns with the shark, and they had to get inventive. And before I even met Carl, I had heard about the jaws lock. Now I know you were unfamiliar. I hadn't heard of that. So hang on, let me grab it. So Carl, after that happened, had documented this experience. It wasn't starting as that but he's very meticulous note taker had notes and scraps everywhere and amazing memory. It's like a steel trap. And he's got humor and just knows how to tell stories. So he writes the jaws long. Oh, okay. He has the rights to it. It's not the movie. It's his experience, writing and working with or being part of Jaws right. Now, this version has maybe an earlier one to introduction by Peter Benchley. Now we've lost Peter Benchley. Well, this is the expanded edition.
Sal Rodriguez:Peter Bester, the main writer of the original novel. Yes. Wow. Very cool.
Jason Connell:I read it years ago and was just floored. And then I started to hear from other filmmakers like, oh, yeah, whenever I'm like dealing with stress or whatever, I just read the jaws law because it really documents what they're going through. But if you know anything about the making of Jaws, you realize like the studio is about to pull the plug their way over budget their way over time. The shark does not work, which is kind of the ironic thing about the title of the documentary, The shark is still working, meaning the movie still working. But the shark was always just petering out, which made them dig deeper. They want to throw this young director out of there. Nothing's working. Meanwhile, sow it still works today. So we know the end. So we want to hear this story. And we're all fascinated by way, way before the shark is still working. I would watch any in every documentary about the making of jaws. I go get the new special remastered version because there's an inside Jaws documentary on it. So I'm always that guy. Like, I want to know more. I want to know more. And now here I am. Years later meeting the writer honoring the writer bringing up people from the movie. It's very surreal for me I even got a credit on the shark is still working a public relations credit nice because of how I helped get that movie out in the festivals because we wound up taking it to San Francisco, Chicago, Tulsa, New York, London. And then it was released on the blu ray of Jaws a few years later. And now I think you can get it on Apple. If you buy the movie, the documentary comes with it. So it's really cool. I had a small hand in that not very big, but it was an honor. Anyway, so I read this book. I love it. I know I'm going to speak with Carl again. So skip ahead in time. I'm now producing, hosting co creating a podcast entitled into the mystic. It's for the mystic Film Festival. I'm honoured it's great to beautiful Festival. It's in Connecticut, not too far from where I'm at. And every episode we do it once a month now it may increase over time, but they're getting people on to have tying into the area or the festival. We've only had two episodes. First episode was Karen Allen. You might know the name from Animal House. Raiders of the Lost Ark Indiana Jones, Star Man sandlot so many an amazing actress, her and I talked for over an hour great episode. She's wonderful. And Karen also had to film at the festival last year that was beautiful, independent film. And then the second episode was Carl Gottlieb. So Carl was honored in 2020, the pandemic year with a Lifetime Achievement Award from the mystic Film Festival. I just happen to move here get involved with the festival and said, Hey, wait, I gave Carl a lifetime achievement award 10 years ago, so he's the second guessed it was a lot of connections. And I hadn't seen him since that night, Sal. And he remembered me remembered us remember, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, I put my hands in the VISTA and I got the award. So he was all a game to talk and knowing he's going to come on. I bought this version of the jaws law because I gifted an old with me being a minimalist gift to someone else, bought a new copy, bought the digital copy and started to read it again and oh my gosh, sell. It's such a good book. And you listen to the episode today. So any thoughts or Takeaways you want to bring up before I keep going on?
Sal Rodriguez:Well, I know you brought up the idea of turning some of these into audiobooks, which I thought you know, as And is the word audiologist is that even a word like that as an audio fan as an audio file? There we go. There's an audio file as a podcaster. I thought, Oh, yes, that sounds really nice and really wonderful. Now it wouldn't be obviously maybe Carl doing it. He says he's not really keen on doing it himself. But then maybe someone else probably somewhat of notoriety, I'm sure doing the
Jason Connell:I would, I would think so. I did bring it up. Because I have been looking for the jaw xlog as an audio version, not a cassette people say cassette but are it's on Audible. I had been looking for years. I asked him, he made it sound like no one's ever asked him. I thought, okay, you know what, Carl, let's talk about this at some point in time. And he was like, yeah, he was game. You heard it. I thought, oh, my gosh, this is great. Let's get like Jon Hamm. And let's do this Jaws law because it's so witty. It's so funny. He had talks about him and Spielberg and he's banging things out. And they don't know what they're gonna do. But it's not just bullet points. It's very rich with color. And you can't put it down. It's a real page turner, so beautifully written. And I love it. And it was great to have him on. So when I bought that sell. It showed up just a few days before he got on. I was like, well, I'll show him and we'll talk about it. And then his name popped up on Amazon. He had written another book, actually, he'd written a book with David Crosby, the late songwriter, you know, rock and roller. I didn't get into that. There was so many other things called I talked about. But there was another book that I never heard of, and it is called the little blue book for filmmakers. Well, came out in 2012. So after we'd already met him, and he went on his way, a primer for directors, writers, actors and producers, Carl Gottlieb and Tony Attell. So I got it. I was like, I'm gonna get this thing. This is like, really cool. There's a lot of little blue books, you know, little blue book or this, that and the other. But knowing Carl, and his sensibility and his take on the industry and the guy listen that episode, I highly recommended end of the mystic second episode, listen to the first one as well. But Carl was writing on famous TV shows. He also co wrote the jerk. He wrote Dr. Detroit, he wrote and directed caveman with Ringo Starr and Dennis Quaid. So he is well known legendary status gets asked to be an actor in things like clueless. And Johnny dangerously and end of the night by well known directors. Amy, secondly, and John land is so just a well respected guy. So anything he writes, so I'm going to read and true story. If you've heard the episode, you heard me tell this, but I have to bring it up. So I go to the mailbox. I know I'm recording with Carl on a few hours. And I just happen to check and this was in there. So like, Oh, it came a day early. I'll actually show it to Carl and our conversation. And it was only two things in my mailbox. There was this in an Amazon and a little bag. asleep, if you will. And there was an advertisement for something, you know, we get like junk mail, and I'm like this, but I could see it in his mailbox. I'm like, I'm picking it up. And it's like, it looks Jaws esque. And I unfortunately, can't find it. I just moved my office recently. So, but it's an advertisement for a musical that I had heard about, but I'm like, it's someone punking me. It's for a Jaws musical. What called the shark is broken. Jaws musical. It's a Jaws musical flyer, on top of a book that Carl Gottlieb, the writer of Jaws wrote in my mailbox, and as I told call, I thought is Alan font, or Ashton Kutcher hiding off some more candid camera or punked? Because this is too bizarre. He appreciated it. It's a true story. But I did say the only thing that would have been weirder is if it was the jaw xlog was in there. And that was laying on top of the jaws line. But still, it's like, nuts. True story.
Sal Rodriguez:Yeah. Well, yeah, no too coincidental to be a coincidence. That's what I say.
Jason Connell:Yeah, that's exactly true. So that is the connection to Carl. And another reason why I'm so fond of this movie and way before I even met Carl, my first dog adult dog that I raised from puppyhood. I've had to and his name was Brody. Chocolate Lab. You met him many times. Named after of course. Sheriff Martin Brody. No, no denying that. I then had Nico years later Nico loss, and I was gonna name him Hooper, or Quinton. But I went with Nico I just is the name Brody was just so cool. And you're gonna say a dog's name a million times. And Hooper and Quint, I just I went with Nico. So now there's Otis a young Otis, but it's a cool name to Otis. My man but I've never had a Hooper or Quint, but Brody for sure it was a great name. And some people think that it's also Patrick Swayze his character from Point Break, but that's actually Bodie. Oh, not Brody, just for those who didn't know that. Do you remember that night? Skipping back to the 35 millimeter screening Carl Gottlieb's there, after the movie, he points something out in the q&a. Do you recall what he pointed out? Pointed something out in the q&a? A mistake in the movie Jaws? He spotted it that night. Oh, boy. No,
Sal Rodriguez:I don't remember that. No.
Jason Connell:Well, in the movie, they're typing up a report early in the movie, right? A coroner's report. Remember their coroner changed his mind and Brody was mad because he was influenced to change. Call it a boating accident, not a shark attack. Well, you can see it on a 35 millimeter. It's humongous. And it says coroner's report. Our coroner's office, not coroner. Oh, coroner is spelled wrong. It's spelled like coroner's. Yes, like CLR in ers. He spotted it. I'm sure other people have spotted it before. But he said I've never seen that before and narratives playing his day. And when how often do you see jaws and 35 on a huge screen, the VISTA? Not very often. I thought it was really funny. And he remembered it. I brought it up. And he totally remembered that spotting that. Anyway. So another cool thing about being in New England now is I was looking in this today, going to Martha's Vineyard to do a Jaws tour. Because the movie was filmed in Martha's Vineyard. Wow. Which is a short boat ride away from where I'm at. So why not short, but at the speed very fast. There
Sal Rodriguez:are all the locations. They're like snack bars and all that stuff.
Jason Connell:Well, I don't know what's there now, but there are lots of companies doing the jobs. Oh, really. So I'm in on the job tour. Spielberg and Gottlieb live right there in that little shack and I don't know how, you know, well, they had the house, there was a lot of locations, you know, so Yeah, show me Amity, I want to see Amity. Jason, I'm
Sal Rodriguez:remembering something. I don't know if we're going to touch on that. And that is, I remember reading an article a year or two ago about the jaws movie actually helping them find a missing person.
Jason Connell:Do you know about that? Oh, no, you got it. You got to get more fat. That'd be on volume two. Yeah. Okay,
Sal Rodriguez:let's, let's look into that. And let's talk about that in volume two. But I remember there was some sort of story of how the jaws either the document or some sort of documentary on JAWS or Jaws itself helped to find a missing person.
Jason Connell:That's interesting. I had never heard of that before. So my takeaway, and I brought Carl up a lot, because that was an interview just a few weeks ago. And it just kind of stirred all this up, and it made me start to watch some of the movies. I mean, I've never seen the fourth one, the jaws revenge, never the all the way through. I hadn't seen three in 3d in forever. I hadn't seen the second one in a long time. So I would encourage those who love jobs like I do, which is the gold standard, not just for Josh's movies, but for most movies. But go ahead and watch them. It doesn't have to be the next day. But watch them close enough together. It's interesting. I encourage you, Sal Rodriguez to do it. But any fan because I think you'd get something from it. And you might have some new takeaways. And I also feel I don't know, I have a sixth sense for this. There's something coming. There's all this merch, I feel there's something else coming in at some point in time.
Sal Rodriguez:You know, now that you mentioned that, Jason, I think that when it comes to movies, and it comes to movie licensing and toys and collectibles is you will anything cinematic may be foreshadowed by the release of merchandise. You may see merchandise first, and then something in the theaters later.
Jason Connell:Yeah, if you build it, they will calm down. Well, look at this. This is going to help this is the shark is broken, apparently was a hit in London. And now it's in New York on Broadway. This is going to prime what's coming. Now this is I guess, a tell of the making of or I don't even know, but I know I'm gonna go. I know I'm going to go to New York right now to probably wind up in Los Angeles, but I don't know much. But I know they have my attention.
Sal Rodriguez:And this is a musical about the making of jaws. Yeah. Wow. I never heard of that before. Well, I
Jason Connell:don't think it's a musical that I say musical is not a musical. I think it's a comedy drama. Okay,
Sal Rodriguez:it's a theatrical production onstage. Yes, but not a musical.
Jason Connell:It's just Hamilton. Yes. Isn't Mormon? No. This is like comedy drama. Probably fantastic. Small I think I think he got if I'm not mistaken. Brody Hooper and Quint represented I think yeah, well look there you go. That's not the actress on the movie. This is from this comedy nice
Sal Rodriguez:they almost look like action figures.
Jason Connell:I'm telling you so now I want a shark is broken action figure. I don't want the original Brody. I want that. Here we go. Here we go.
Sal Rodriguez:I want a sharks with frickin laser beams on their forehead.
Jason Connell:Yeah. Laser beams. So I know there'll be a volume to maybe as there's new news or if I get another actor on or something, but I just figured it was an excuse to come back and talk. And then I'm walking home. This is where it cemented us during this episode. Exactly. dundun dundun. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And we didn't even mention it. John Williams score. There's a takeaway. Oh, yeah, a score like that. It's like its own character. It's the primal beam. It's the shark when you can't see a yellow barrel or anything else. Just play the chords. And the sharks right there. I don't even see him. But I know he's there. It's all these things working together. But I'm walking home the other day. And I pass the theater. And Sal, I swear to you, they're having a Jaws screening original August 31. Huge party, not just a screening. It's an event. And I was like, This is too crazy. It never stops feeding on itself. It's just unbelievable. So I wanted to come here and not just do a quick dive but do a deeper dive in kind of broad strokes and tell some personal stories. And maybe we'll still come back and I'll bring you on. And we'll dive into each movie individually. But I wanted to kind of just touch everything, if you will.
Sal Rodriguez:Can I just share my grievance with sharks? No, please. Sharks have this beautiful evolutionary feature where they grow a row of teeth. And then if those teeth fall out a new row of teeth come in neuro teeth. Yeah. Why don't humans have that? Why don't we have that? That is so awesome.
Jason Connell:Their jaws? And they don't have hands. No, no opposable thumbs, not even fingers. So that's all I got. So anything we didn't cover in this franchise? was French
Sal Rodriguez:know, I had a good time and especially know there will be more because the saga continues. It doesn't end. Yeah. This will Jaws doesn't end and talking about it will not end either.
Jason Connell:Yeah, exactly. So without further ado, please enjoy. Jaws and jaws to and jaws 3d.
Sal Rodriguez:And the next Jaws
Jason Connell:take two Jaws The Revenge well done. This time, it's personal. So I won't do the usual outro we'll do a just kind of loosely, you know, thanking our fans. But really, thank you so much for being a fan of Let's Talk movies, as well as all the other offerings from just curious media. Please give us five star rating, just a little click of the button. If you have the time. Leave us a review a five star if you want to leave a one star review, just in sound email. But don't put that out there. You can hit us on social media platforms right now. We're all over the place.
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