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Episode 50: Halloween (1978) - Just Rewatched

Jason Connell and Sal Rodriguez revisit the classic movie and talk about the genius of John Carpenter, the location of the real Michael Myers house, and mastering unassisted sit-up.

Synopsis: Fifteen years after murdering his sister on Halloween night 1963, Michael Myers escapes from a mental hospital and returns to the small town of Haddonfield, Illinois to kill again.

Director: John Carpenter
Writer: John Carpenter, Debra Hill
Cinematographer: Dean Cundey
Composer: John Carpenter
Cast: Donald Pleasence, Jamie Lee Curtis, Nancy Kyes, P.J. Soles, Charles Cyphers, Kyle Richards

Recorded: 11-01-23
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Jason Connell:

Whoa, just curious. Welcome to Just curious media. This is let's talk movies. And I'm Jason Connell on the show. Today I'm joined by special guest Sal Rodriguez.

Sal Rodriguez:

Thanks, Jason. I'm happy to be here.

Jason Connell:

Happy to have you sir. Because this sound tonight is episode 54. Let's talk movies, a little milestone celebration, a celebration and why not have a celebratory movie, a classic. And we just had the actual day of the year yesterday, of which we both watch this movie, because today we are talking about Halloween 1978 just re watched.

Sal Rodriguez:

Jason I feel like we have to clarify this is the original Halloween 1978 And I say that because there's been a lot of Halloween movies for

Jason Connell:

Halloween. So a lot more than I even realized until I was doing notes for this episode because I have not seen them all. And we're gonna have fun and ping pong, the titles back and forth of the franchise in this episode so we can educate ourselves and others. Maybe you've seen them all, but I have not.

Sal Rodriguez:

Jason I've not seen all of them. I've seen probably about half of them. I remember there was one that I think that had LL Cool J who's one of my favorite Altair rappers. I think it was one of the h2o movies. So yeah, I do need to catch up on the overall franchise.

Jason Connell:

I love LL Cool J i forget about it. Classic. So this one the original came out October 27 1978 sell. And of course it's a horror slash thriller. Those are the genres on IMDb anyway. But let me bring up the poster because it's an all timer. Ooh, look at that wicked Sal, please describe the poster. Why

Sal Rodriguez:

you see a jack o lantern, but it looks like a jack electric in motion. And then Ronix the jack o lantern is a hand with a knife, almost like the knife and the hand is one with the jack o lantern. The jack o lantern is one with a knife in the hand. And this is a huge knife, and it's raining down and it has blood on it.

Jason Connell:

And there's a stain on here besides Halloween across the top but it says the night he came home. He been Michael Myers that is. So a classic and I'm going to read the synopsis but dare I even move on without saying the name John Carpenter. I mean, this was like the mega breakthrough put John Carpenter on the map. In fact, all of his movies after this had his name above the title. I mean, John Carpenter presents John Carpenter this he was on a tear by the time you hit the ad Sal but it all started here. I mean, this was the one that just you know you have that iconic movie that's like Oh yeah. And you become a household name and this was it.

Sal Rodriguez:

Yeah, what happens is the studio's then have confidence and faith in you. The world of producing will be producing as confidence and faith in you. So if you have a success like this, well, then you get a blank check after that. Blank check. Yep, funding checks.

Jason Connell:

Okay, so this is the synopsis. 15 years after murdering his sister on Halloween night 1963 Michael Myers escapes from a mental hospital and returned to the small town of Hayden field Illinois to kill again. Sounds a lot like your backstory, I think. I think I'm still

Sal Rodriguez:

on the run from a mentalist. Yeah, it's interesting how this all takes place. Yeah, I had forgotten how quickly in the movie that happens. Well, I've always said

Jason Connell:

like, you don't need to get caught down with devices and like, like, a lot of trickery. And like, you know, let's do this. And let's have a MacGuffin here. And then we'll know to streamline that bad boy. We're doing this. This is in real time, almost this movies concludes less than a day later, you know, so it's like it's just happening at a warp speed. And I love that the Terminator does that so many movies, it just kept it clean, and you're going from A to B, and the audience is on the ride with you because it's great filmmaking, you're not trying to, well, we gotta have this and then that'll entice the audience like this is just awesome storytelling for what it is. Let's not blow this thing out of proportion. It's a slasher movie, but it almost it's like the slasher movie psycho could be considered a slasher movie at least a part of it right? It could be there's a lot of tie ins here and I know Carpenter was a big fan of hitch and Psycho and all that I know he honors it, but this would be considered a slasher movie. Am I right? So I

Sal Rodriguez:

kind of have always thought that a movie like Halloween, there might be another movie from the 80s that escapes me maybe early 80s But I definitively think that Halloween kind of almost created the slasher genre and it because I tie that to an era so I wouldn't include psycho on that because I was is a really early I would say the late 80s I don't know what I mean as far as like to me the slash a slasher movie this this would be a slasher movie this Yeah, I know. But a slasher movie is also representative of an era. And to me it represents a late 70s. Early 80s was the era for the slasher movies. I think they also had a few others again, that were slasher movies that are representative of the of the genre. I

Jason Connell:

mean, this created a whole genre, and a lot of films, you know, replicating, imitating whatever, including Halloween itself. I mean, JAWS spawned no pun intended, a lot of shark movies are, you know, fish movies, or whatever it was orca that was in the 70s. But yeah, so I love to go back to early, you know, beginnings, and it's no mistakes. It's John Carpenter's at the helm. It's not like it's some other guy who has the goods, and then would transcend this genre, and then keep going and hitting different highs. I don't think it's his best movie. But I do think it's such a great movie, and young filmmaker, lots of ambition, trying to prove yourself, like Jaws like Steven Spielberg on jobs, like, oh, we gotta try this. But I have a lot of money and time that are running out of money and time on jobs. But you know what I mean, here, like they didn't have a huge budget, so they had to be very creative. And I'll talk more about exactly what he did on the movie. Besides directing. He wrote, co wrote, and he was a composer, the composer, there's like, another great song in the movie, but he did all of the music and sell the music is such a key element of this movie. Without it. It's not the same. Yeah, I

Sal Rodriguez:

was really enjoying the score. I was almost realizing that it was kind of Pavlovian or Pavlovian, where as soon as you hear those keys, you're like, oh, you know, you're ready. Yeah. It's so I definitely adds that layer to make this movie.

Jason Connell:

Much like Charles. Done. Do you know that's coming after jaws? So it's like, okay, that works. I like this element. Yeah, it's, it's amazing. So Carpenter, like I just said he would go on to do the fog. Escape from New York. The thing, Christine, Star Man, big trouble, Little China. I mean, it goes on from there. But there are classics I just said, I mean, I don't know if there's a better scary movie than the thing. I don't know. I don't know if it's even possible. And it's not even the original. But his version so good. And Christine. May be my personal fave of his, but that can change. I was gonna ask it. So it's like to me, and then big trouble for what it is. It's a comedy in a different way, action comedy, and it's just so enjoyable. But really, the thing and Christine just, I can revisit them all the time that hold up much like Halloween. And as a kid Escape from New York blew my mind. So I had never seen anything like it. I didn't understand it. It also terrified me because it's like, wow, cities can be like that, because you're young and impressionable. And you know, so but but a classic and Snake Plissken Come on, Kurt Russell. So that's who we're talking about who's at the helm here. And his co writer was Deborah Hill rest in peace. She passed away March 7 2005 At a very young age of 54. But she also wrote the fog with John Carpenter escaped from New York and escaped from LA. But just great force. They weren't here on this. And his music. I mean, his ringtone Sal is probably a high seller on iTunes. Because you hear it on lots of people's phones. Like I have the jaws ringtone and the Kill Bill. But I need to work in Halloween now.

Sal Rodriguez:

Also merchandise they have a lot of merchandise merchandise of course has the little sound chips playing playing the music Yeah.

Jason Connell:

Speaking of merchandise this episode we'll also have some great memorabilia collectibles from sale of course you're gonna bring that to our audience to me I don't know keep them hidden now but I know you've got some Mike Meyers and some other goodies over there and I cannot wait to see them

Sal Rodriguez:

there his I'm looking at them. I'm looking right at him. Okay,

Jason Connell:

okay. Well, you can give us a quick Mike Myers look if you if you want well, he's

Sal Rodriguez:

gonna take a little peek up. Ah,

Jason Connell:

oh my gosh. Terrified looks a little more built than the Mike Myers in this movie. And this installment so quickly on the cast out of the gate. Love, love, love Donald Pleasance top billing Jason tahap. Bill him as Dr. Samuel Loomis. Rest in peace we lost Donald Pleasance. February 2 1995 at 75. I mean, he's in so many movies like The Great Escape You Only Live Twice, Halloween two, he does reprise himself. His role is Dr. Loomis. And then of course, you have Jamie Lee Curtis. This has happened so Often sound like how's that movie? So good? You got carpenter. Now you have Pleasance, and you have Jamie Lee Curtis who had the goods as well, like it's not by accident. But she's fantastic is Laurie strode. She would go on to also be in the fog with John Carpenter prom night, July's and most recently, so, it was like the Oscar winning movie, everything everywhere all at once. She's married to Christopher Guest, who's an incredible iconic director, comedy actor, whatever, talent. And then there's Nancy Keyes is Annie and she's great in the movie, by the way, and he was really good revisiting this movie. Just yesterday. I hadn't seen it in a while. It's like, oh, yeah, these performances are like, I'm surprised I didn't see her and more things out over the years, but she was in more carpenter movies like assault on precinct 13 The fog. And then there's PJ souls who I knew very well from other movies, she plays Linda, she's great. She just nails that role. It's like PJ cells made all these movies in a short amount of time because she always looked exactly the same. But she was in Kerry. Love, Carrie. Great, great movie, Brian DePalma. Rock and roll High School stripes, one of my favorite Ivan Reitman rest in peace. And then Charles ciphers plays Sheriff Leigh Brackett, also in assault on precinct 13, and the fog and Major League, a classic comedy. And then last one I'm going to mention is Kylie Richards she played Lindsay little girl in the movie. She was like a kid actress in the magical world of Disney, and then south she would grow up to be on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, the Bravo show that spawned all these sequels. And her sister, her older sister is Kim Richards, who was in a classic Disney movie, I believe, returned from Witch Mountain with Eddie Albert, a movie that I would watch all the time. So there's a little bit of history for a little trivia. And

Sal Rodriguez:

Wikipedia list. Kylie Richards, not just as an actress, and obviously part of the iconography of Halloween. But she's listed as a socialite.

Jason Connell:

I saw that so yeah, socialite, isn't that if you want that on your resume? Don't use it. Yeah, that's

Sal Rodriguez:

pretty cool. Well, because a social life kind of reeks of being a trust fund kid. But I don't know if she was a trust fund kid. But the more you read about her, somebody, yeah, Halloween, her family was well connected. Yeah. So

Jason Connell:

Sal, we did this on the Friday the 13th episode. And I think it's fun. We'll just go back and forth, saying the movie title. We'll start with Halloween, and the year and we'll go back and forth. And if you want to talk like, Oh, I saw this when anything comes to mind, we can but we're going to ping pong back and forth. So we can get a grasp of all the movies in the franchise because this franchise never really stops. They may have had a break here and there, but it's still going south. No,

Sal Rodriguez:

you're absolutely right. Like Friday the 13th. We haven't seen anything since 2009. Yeah, this Halloween is that in Michael Myers keeps going and going. And you don't even appreciate how many there are until you see a list. And you stare at it. And you go oh my gosh, there's been a lot of Halloween movies.

Jason Connell:

Well, to be accurate, there's 13, which is also really interesting. Well, the thing is, if you believe in numbers, and we just talked about Friday 13th We just had Halloween Thirteen's not really lucky numbers. So here we go. Halloween, the original 1978

Sal Rodriguez:

Halloween to 1981. So a little bit of

Jason Connell:

a break, but they knew they were coming back to make a sequel. Carpenter was not though let's be clear, he only made the first movie. Jason,

Sal Rodriguez:

are you saying that John Carpenter had no involvement in any of the following Halloweens? Well,

Jason Connell:

I think once you write characters, much like Robert Mark came in on Cobra Kai, once you write characters, your names probably attach and maybe he was a producer. But he did not direct his music lived on. Sure. But I mean, he's not helming it. He's making all those other great movies for us.

Sal Rodriguez:

That's true. Okay, I got you. So

Jason Connell:

now comes an odd bird in the bunch. Yeah, I have never seen it. Halloween three Season of the Witch 1982

Sal Rodriguez:

Yeah, it's a good movie. It's there's no Michael Byers. But it's a great song.

Jason Connell:

It must be the Season of the Witch. Right. Okay, so was that?

Sal Rodriguez:

Was that part of the movie? No,

Jason Connell:

it's just a song.

Sal Rodriguez:

It might be but I just remember that

Jason Connell:

the vibe of the movies. Sometimes they have to it's a Donovan track that came out way before that. So I need to see it. I was always told though. Oh, it's not like the first one. I was like, What is it then? But it's one year after the sequel, but you're telling me you how you're familiar. You know, it comes out of left field. It has none of the characters and it's its own standalone thing. Is that right? That's correct. Okay, are there figures was for this?

Sal Rodriguez:

Oh yeah. Well, the movie is about this company that makes these evil masks. And when kids get the masks, and then they wear the masks, they become dead. And then there are three iconic little kids that they made figures out of to pay tribute to the movie and I would encourage anybody. Yeah, watch the movie. It stands alone on its own, not related to the rest of the franchise, but it is a

Jason Connell:

gemstone. Okay. So what came next? Halloween

Sal Rodriguez:

for the return of Michael Myers in 1988.

Jason Connell:

So a gap, six year gap and it was time, but I'm assuming this picks it back up from Halloween two,

Sal Rodriguez:

I would imagine so yeah,

Jason Connell:

I mean, return of Mike Myers. They didn't do a Season of the Witch two, which gets confusing. Okay, so then Halloween five, the revenge of Michael Myers. 1989. The following year, we had a return and we had a revenge. That was fast. It was very fast. And

Sal Rodriguez:

then and then it continues Halloween the curse of Michael Myers in 1995. So it went from Return to revenge to curse and I guess it was number Yeah, it would be six they didn't but it would be unofficially Halloween six. But yeah, there is no six in the title.

Jason Connell:

So I'm going to tell you I have not seen Season of the Witch. Halloween for Halloween five are Halloween six. I tapped out after Halloween and Halloween too. And then though, I was very aware of Halloween h2o. 20 years later. 9098. I did watch this. And I thought, huh, a little underwhelmed. But again, I saw it in 1998. So I probably need to go back. You do like movie by movie. But what was your recollection of h2o?

Sal Rodriguez:

You know, Jason, I would credit you. I would credit you Jason Connell. Thanks for helping me to revisit old movies. Because guess what, any of us you watch a movie years later, decades later, it's gonna be different. You're a different person today. I probably have more respect for Halloween today. I was more scared when I first saw Halloween, originally, but I have more respect for Halloween today. Because I know more about and I can appreciate the direction I can appreciate the score. I can appreciate the camera angles, all that sort of thing. Yeah, that didn't appreciate as a kid. So it's definitely cool to revisit stuff. And I think Halloween h2o is the one that had LL Cool J ethic. Well, there

Jason Connell:

you go. Are his classic songs. I need love going, buddy. Hello. Yeah, going back to the couch. Yeah. And he was amazing. But spoiler alert, and I don't know recently, but I see ad so. Jamie Lee Curtis, his character, Laura strode seems to be alive still. Because she did pop up in some ways. We know we lost Pleasance in in real life. Yes. And his character probably didn't carry on. Continue on. Well, she's,

Sal Rodriguez:

I think that then, at some point, his kit. Oh, Jason. I'm all over the place here because I'm thinking of the remakes FROM 2007 WHERE Loomis comes back, but he's not Donald Pleasance. He's played by Malcolm Yeah, maybe

Jason Connell:

his character. Yes. But we know Laura is around and I remember that was a big selling point. For the one in 1998 the h2o I saw the posters. Wow, watch this. I remember Halloween, and not even realizing there's been all these other ones. It's like, you know, I probably need to do this. But I also became very, you know, I wasn't into franchises that just kept doing this. I looked at it like that's beneath me Friday. 13th. I just keep going. I'm older. Now. We have a movie podcast. Usually we discover classics. And we are we're just talking about the original, the classic. But I do like to see where franchises go. Good, bad and ugly. And sometimes there's a gem in there. But this is kind of fun. So. So what do we have next?

Sal Rodriguez:

Halloween resurrection. 2002.

Jason Connell:

Okay, all right.

Sal Rodriguez:

Would you call that Halloween eight unofficially.

Jason Connell:

And we could we could we definitely good. And then Halloween 2007. It's a remake of the original. To my understanding. Haven't seen it. I'm just reading notes. Have you seen that one?

Sal Rodriguez:

Oh, we're gonna start getting into the ones that I have seen recently, but I do not think I saw Halloween 2007 remake? I don't think I did. Okay, and then Halloween to 2009 which is a sequel to The 2007 remake. Okay, so this is a remake of Halloween one and two 2007 2009. Yep.

Jason Connell:

And then Halloween season of Nabisco at Halloween 2018 which is a direct sequel to the original ignoring previous sequels.

Sal Rodriguez:

Okay, okay. But Jason, this is where I started just crazy. But this is where I started jumping on board again, I believe.

Jason Connell:

Have you seen 118 Which 178 2007 or 2018? All of them. So I'm now I'm getting confused. like wait a second. There's a reason Make they said Nah, forget it. We're doing the real remake now are a sequel. So this is a sequel to the original not a remake of the original. So what about Halloween to his head ignored with the 2018 Like if you if you went in the store and bought like a two pack, I'll take Halloween 1978 And then Halloween two which is 2018 and not the one from 81 it gets confusing so well it's

Sal Rodriguez:

kind of like the exorcist movies were exorcist two was basically ignored. Yeah, right on all the rest of the sequels. plays the next one. Halloween kills 2021 a sequel to the 2018 film. Okay, definitely saw Halloween kills.

Jason Connell:

So it's a sequel to 28 teens Halloween, which was a sequel to the original. Yeah. Okay,

Sal Rodriguez:

there we go. Okay. I think I'm following along here.

Jason Connell:

Most recently, the 13th installment is Halloween ends. That's an interesting title. 2022 And that's a sequel to Halloween kills, which is a sequel to Halloween 2018 which is a sequel to the original Halloween 1978 of which we're talking about. To day, who? I thought Friday the 13th jumped the shark somewhere along the way. I think Halloween absolutely does here. I'm gonna watch them all at some point. I've got to figure this out. But there's a lot happening here. I don't know what characters I'm assuming Jamie Lee is still around. But as Mike Myers like if they're sequels is someone who's helming these, I haven't looked this up. But why should probably not ask you on the spot but

Sal Rodriguez:

no, but I will tell you this Jason I think Rob Zombie do these. There was the Rob Zombie I think was the 2007 I think was the Rob Zombie one.

Jason Connell:

So maybe I heard good and bad, but I think more bad. So if Rob Zombie did a couple maybe that's what happened. Is it okay, those are the Rob Zombie's. We're now going to do this. But did I get the right note there online? Is the 2018 Halloween really a direct sequel to the original? Or is it a remake? That I don't know. I've got to look at different sources. Okay,

Sal Rodriguez:

because I was just about to say that a fan could watch Halloween 1978 HALLOWEEN 1981? Halloween two, and then jump to Halloween 2018 a direct sequel to the original. So you could jump from 1981 to 2018.

Jason Connell:

Yeah, yeah, you probably can be

Sal Rodriguez:

on schedule.

Jason Connell:

I am reading online right now that it does say direct sequel to the 1978 movie of the same name. Because I'm assuming Halloween to didn't have because I've only seen it like it has been so long ago. Was Jamie Lee. No, she was in the second one. So that's weird that they would say Oh, this is a sequel to the original. The original sequel has Jamie Lee Curtis at it. Stroud. So yeah, there's a lot to unpack here. This is what happens when different people organizations production companies start getting franchise like this. It can go Any Which Way But Loose. But there's a lot of material for people to enjoy and fans to you know, hang on to and glean to and so I'm excited to go down this path if this is a franchise I really want to see again, but it all starts here. So the 1970 Halloween, this one's got the goods.

Sal Rodriguez:

I always think that a person could just watch the first of any franchise and probably be okay. You know, you get the gist. You watch the first Halloween you get it? You watch the first sector says you get it. You watch the first well hang on you watch the first Friday the 13th use you don't get it but let me use another example. You watch the first Hellraiser you get it? You know. Yeah,

Jason Connell:

I agree. I think you have to watch the second gremlins. Really to understand what's going on. I just that's something you have to know. I don't know. I don't know if that's true. Okay, so why not play the trailer? Oh, it holds up? Well. I mean, we're just kind of revisiting this great movie. Let's play the trailer. Enjoy it set the stage where some tone and the camera work and the music and then we'll just kind of talk about the movie in our experiences and a little bit of trivia. So if anything, if nothing else, people are going to be rushing to rent. Rewatch an old DVD, VHS, LaserDisc, by digitally whatever like we were yesterday. I know we should probably should have done this before Halloween. But we were inspired on Halloween to watch Halloween.

Sal Rodriguez:

It's true. And I discovered because I'm always looking to get some little perk for because I was able to see Halloween for free on crackle. Yeah,

Jason Connell:

you are into crackle. Okay, here we go.

Media:

Halloween night. A small American town 15 years ago Michael I spent eight years trying to reach him and then another seven tried to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply evil think you'll come back exploring uncharted territory only charged babies to have come on out right he came home

Sal Rodriguez:

that music man, holy moly music

Jason Connell:

does it? Oh, it's so good. It's

Sal Rodriguez:

the music is what's the word disturbing. It's just it's a disturbing sound that puts you on edge, which is great for horrible. Oh,

Jason Connell:

it's so good. So and I know that John Carpenter and his son. Were doing concerts not that long ago, last few years. Yeah, not just this music. He did a lot of music and his Yes, and other music. And so I would have loved and maybe I can still catch a show at some point in time. But to hear this, and I'm sure they have some visual cues and some sort. But it's beautiful. It's simple. It's primal. And it's so scary. And yeah, I did read that he was really fond, of course of psycho. And that music. And this is kind of a modern version, of course. And then of course, I'm sure he was inspired by JAWS for simplicity, but effectiveness. So we could go a lot of ways here. We can do some notes, or I'm gonna throw it to you. Do you want to jump in with your collectibles now or hold?

Sal Rodriguez:

We might as well because I'm pretty excited about them. I'm more excited. I can tell you're more excited about my own collectibles from Halloween than ever before. Okay, and the ones that I have here from 2004 made by a company called NECA. They are well, they are called action figures. But by today's standards even by the same company nicop have multiple points of articulation back then they didn't have as much articulation but they did stand better. I will say that needles as a purist, I will say that the more articulation a figure has, the less likely he can just stand on his own. So the first one I want to share is probably my favorite and is a favorite among fans. And the reason I'm sharing him first is because he makes the first appearance and that is oh, we have your Michael Myers Gosh, as he has done that's awesome. Just like him sister. And then

Jason Connell:

there's the masks come off. The mask

Sal Rodriguez:

does well the masks can be on him likes like so. Okay, and then you can yes you can take off the mask.

Jason Connell:

Creepy Meyers. Yeah, there he is. And he kills his sister.

Sal Rodriguez:

Yeah, what this this I think is because if you look at his face, I think this is meant to replicate as soon as they remove the mask. His father removes the mask on the lawn, and we get to see young Michael Myers and his cold evil stare. I always thought his stare though as a kid was less than just sort of like a kid confused sort of catatonic? Yeah,

Jason Connell:

I agree. Okay, wow. That's

Sal Rodriguez:

NACA. Yeah, that's a nice one. And they never really remade that figure. I may have done with the licensing rights with the actor maybe. But that figure has never been redone and it's highly regarded also for many years until he was redone, highly regarded. Dr. Loomis, Donald Pleasance, oh my gosh, Donald Pleasance, and this sound that looks amazing. This would replicate the moment that he is shooting at Michael Myers. They made this fall apart. Yes, spoiler alert. They made this figure as part of a two pack called the night he came home, which is him and Michael together in a in a two pack, playing

Jason Connell:

poker.

Sal Rodriguez:

So there is Donald Pleasance

Jason Connell:

does look like Dr. Samuel Loomis, I have to say Donald Pleasance, that's great as Jason, can you put his hand how much articulation is well,

Sal Rodriguez:

okay, I bought this secondhand. And if you buy a figure or anything secondhand, you don't know what happened to beforehand. I think someone might have glued the arms because even though I hit these with a hairdryer, as is the custom for an old figure you want to get moving. I hit it with a hairdryer costume? Well, because what happens is plastic gets cold and when plastic is cold, you got to look out. You want to heat the castle melt. Well, you can get a hairdryer and make it just hot enough for you to manipulate. Is

Jason Connell:

there a collectibles hairdryer? There should be

Sal Rodriguez:

one you could probably sell one and target at this at this point. Man that looks great man. What I'm really excited about as an aside, is when you have an action figure of a person that well you don't have a lot of action figures. I believe that Donald Pleasance as Dr. Loomis is the only Donald Pleasance action finger on the market, and they have since made some newer versions that are beautiful. That's great course the man of the hour.

Jason Connell:

Here we go. Who knows this from the original right helix.

Sal Rodriguez:

This is the original Michael Myers action figures made by NACA from 2004. That was part of what was called the evolution of evil Tupac. We had young Michael and older Michael came as a set. And this has been the only speaking of all these remakes that we've talked about. This has been the only neka original 1978 Motion Picture action figure made by NACA, even though they've made a bunch of Michael Myers since especially recently for Halloween and Halloween kills, but they have not revisited or redone this one. So this is a classic action figured by Nexa 2004.

Jason Connell:

It's amazing. He used to really be into color. Michael Myers as a kid had a very flamboyant outfit and he just kind of went more utilitarian industrial. He hides in the dark better now.

Sal Rodriguez:

No, but you know what I realized, Jason, in talking to you tonight, you know, when I realized Michael Myers only kills when he's wearing a mask. Michael Myers has not killed without wearing a mask,

Jason Connell:

as far as we know. As far as it however, but I don't know. What went I don't know. That's true. I'm gonna I'm calling me out. I don't think that's true. Go ahead, because when he escaped from the hospital, and then they find the truck on the side of the road, that he had murdered someone on the way home. He didn't have a mask yet. Well,

Sal Rodriguez:

we didn't see oh, you could assume that you're running but then that whole scene about the hardware store? folklore about the continuity there? Sure. Because they're trying to say that he got the mask and the overalls from the hardware store. But that came later. Yeah, but you know what, Jason? You are right but the only time we ever see him killed see see he's the only time we ever see Michael Myers kill is

Jason Connell:

just a guy. I'm just to go hang on a second.

Sal Rodriguez:

There you go. So I'm wondering like if Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, if Michael Myers were to attack you. If you could take his mask off? He might not fill you

Jason Connell:

up say we know that. That does not work with Jason. That doesn't No no, he's killed Pleasance.

Sal Rodriguez:

Oh, no. What happened Michael Myers arm this is what I told you about plastic is broken. Yeah, it is. I'm gonna have to glue it. So here's what happens. Here's what happens in the world of toy collecting. And then I'll shut up. Thank God, I can glue his arm back. And then I sell it and then the new person doesn't know that his arm is glued. And that's what I think happened in the case of Dr. Liu pharma happened in there my friend I think that these arms are glued and I got this secondhand so I'm not going to mess with them. Anyway, I'll get that back on. And that is my NECA Halloween set from 2000 Wow.

Jason Connell:

Great set there really you've got Jung Myers all admires and then you have Donald Pleasance, Loomis, amazing really, really good stuff. You do not have a Laurie strode though. Okay,

Sal Rodriguez:

so NECA later on released the Laurie strode only recently and speaking of Laurie strode her character so different in the scene there especially I really got a good look. She's such a scaredy cat running around and now Laurie strode. Now Laurie strode is kick ass and her recent action figure he has a shotgun accessory. She's

Jason Connell:

pulling Linda Hamilton from Terminator two. She's now buff, and she's ready to go t two button T one what we call it Terminator in the business. She was a scaredy cat. And then she finally had to step up at the end and crush him and sorry, I love that movie as well. Your terminators, cameras, props. So that's great. So now We can delve into notes. I'm glad we did that, because you wouldn't have lasted five more seconds without showing though. So we know it was sitting on needles. So watching this again, I have not seen it hadn't seen it. I hate to admit this, but it has been a while at least 10 years. Right. But watching it again now, with this, you know, it was Halloween night, putting it on. And maybe it was a little bit less than 10 years ago, but I really watched it. I felt like a whole new experience. Yeah, I know some of the beats but I was really focused on the craftsmanship of the movie, the suspense, and really appreciate it. So much of it. I also had some questions, okay, because that's how I do things. So we're not doing a scene by scene breakdown of this movie right now. It deserves that. But we're just kind of revisiting talking about a just rewatched and the suspense It's a masterpiece. This movie is a masterpiece and suspense and carpenters. No surprise there. But I have some questions. So Michael Myers, what was he before six years old before the figure you have there now without an arm? Are there signs? Like, you know, sometimes like he's six. So he just goes cold killer, then? Because the we're hearing Loomis talk about him in the movie, how he's never seen evil like this. It's like, Was he really just normal to five? And then he started to get dark. And if that's the case, I'm hiding the kitchen knives. I'm doing some things. And I'm not letting Mike Meyers roam free on Halloween night, but I don't know. I just No one's ever there's no more backstory. I haven't seen all the other movies. And maybe we delve into that later. But in this movie, at all I'm going off of

Sal Rodriguez:

No. And that also brings to mind some folklore I read about Donald Pleasance. Apparently there was a scene they wanted to shoot of him talking to his wife, maybe saying, oh, you know, I'm late or whatever. But Donald pleasant says, No, I don't want Loomis to have a backstory. Interesting. So I think that was part of the overall strategy, as we talked about in the beginning, was just getting right down to business. We don't get a lot of backstory. There's not a whole lot of build. We just get him into lines. Yeah, let's go. Exactly. Let's do it. Let's run with it. So

Jason Connell:

that scene when Michael Myers and the other patients are escaping from the mental hospital, that's a creepy scene. Of course, in these movie, Sal, there's seems like there's always a rainstorm. It adds trouble. Friday, the 13th series does it all the time. And so they come up, and was there just a power outage, because all of a sudden, all these people are in the lawn. And what you don't know initially is that Mike Myers is among them, like in like a little robe or whatever. And you just think what's going on here and the gates open and I love it a lady's driving and she's got a cig. And Loomis is just sitting there. I was like, I was like, What's going on here? But very interesting. Is that what your takeaway was? Again, we don't answer a lot of these questions. But there's this these people and there are the mental hospital. Yeah,

Sal Rodriguez:

I don't know if I necessarily thought about any power outage or though that could make sense. But just somebody stole a set of keys and opened up a gate and now here they all are out. And yeah, some of them were just kind of wandering around aimlessly. Yeah. But Michael Myers obviously had a mission.

Jason Connell:

He had a plan.

Sal Rodriguez:

He had a mission. In fact, he he might have been the one drive. Yeah, he Well, he knew how to drive. That's a whole nother story. But yeah, Michael Myers possibly set the whole escape off. We just don't know. Yeah,

Jason Connell:

I love how Loomis addresses that. Maybe someone taught him how to drive. Really, this is the most evil thing you've ever seen and numerous is like maybe someone taught him how to drive like, Okay, I don't think he would ever be able to leave the actual hospital. Oh, who's out there driving doing circles in the oh, that's Myers. Oh, that's okay. Myers, kid. I just don't think they'd let him go out there.

Sal Rodriguez:

But he was locked up in the institution during his permit yours. 1516. So yeah, I need to get his driver's permit.

Jason Connell:

Yeah, but as much evil as Loomis saw in him. I'm like, he's like in a locked room within another locked room. No, you'd be like

Sal Rodriguez:

Michael Myers incredibly evil, but actually courteous driver, so

Jason Connell:

the driver can parallel park like with the best of them. It's kind of amazing. And a very courteous driver, which is just go figure. So now, so I'm assuming that Laurie This is the has to be the case, puts everything in motion because her father has her drop off the Myers keys at the old Meyers house. It's now dilapidated. I love how it's dilapidated. 15 years. No one's touched it neighborhood. The neighbors like, you know, it's not driving our house value up, but you know, no one's touching it. Because I think it looks better in the movie to have a creepy house sitting there. Right, as opposed to, oh, that's the Myers Hill House with a fresh paint. But she puts it in motion by putting the keys there. And Michael Myers happens to be there and puts eyes on her and becomes fixated on her because is it because She reminds him of his sister. Art's just wrong place wrong time. Well,

Sal Rodriguez:

first of all, I don't know if we ever know why he's fixated on Laurie strode in particular. But I don't know why Laurie started dropping off keys at this old creepy house. What do we learn why?

Jason Connell:

Yeah, someone had her dad's a realtor. And that's what his car says. And so she's gonna go drop these keys. Maybe now the Meyers house. 15 years on the block. It's the eyesore of the block. But now let's kind of be sold and fixed up. I don't know. Quick aside, I was gonna say this for a whole section. But that house, the Mike Meyers house, the one that she goes and drops the keys and he looks outside. Because this movie's supposed to be in Illinois. We're cheating here. That house at the time was at 707 Meridian Avenue and South Pasadena, California. 91030. Okay, it was there forever. And then Sal, it wasn't, wasn't demolished. It was moved, what they moved, I pick that house up, move it a few blocks down the road to 1000 Mission Street and South Pasadena, California. Same zip code 91030. It's right there by the railroad tracks. I know South Pass very well used to live in Eagle Rock, Mount Washington. It's right there. I would go by all the time, and it's cleaned up. It doesn't look like it did in the movie. But I want to make it more prominent attraction in South Pasadena. How about that?

Sal Rodriguez:

I'm amazed by this. And I did not know this. Just type

Jason Connell:

in Michael Myers house into your browser. And check it out. I was blown away because I walked by one day and said, Wait a second. And yeah, they brought I'm glad they did that and didn't demolish it.

Sal Rodriguez:

They know. The history doesn't happen. Jason moving houses does not really happened for sure around here. Los Angeles. People ain't moving old houses. They are tearing them down. It's what's happening. The fact that they moved this house, I'm amazed by it.

Jason Connell:

Amazing. And we're gonna get into some other houses shortly. We're just going you know, quick notes here. So then, I love that Loomis just knows that Michael is headed to his boy hood home. He just knows. I mean, did they talk? I guess this is like therapy. Did he always talk about it? But he knew and I love how it's 15 years to the day. It's Halloween 15 year anniversary. Meyers is now what 21? Was he six at the time. So he's 21. He's, he's in his prime or beginning as prime. But yeah, he just knew that was the next step. The obvious progression has gone back home. So he must have talked about

Sal Rodriguez:

it. Well, I also liked the I would call it a device where you have a character like Loomis being the only person in the know. And he's running around warning everybody not much different than a later carpenter movie. They live right. Where you have the main character running around that has the knowledge has the knowledge and nobody else wants to listen to them. Everybody thinks they're crazy. So yeah, like how Loomis was trying to tell the cop and the cop wasn't even. So on board. Really? He was kind of like, yeah, not sure. I believe you.

Jason Connell:

I'm glad you said that movie. So they live also a classic carpenter movie. I was just rattling off a lot. But yeah, that's a good point. He does run around. And what's this guy talking about? But I think his character helps make the movie because you have, you know, Meyers is in motion. You have the girl that we can hang on to and the ones we lose along the way. And then you have a guy that has all the insight, and he's a great actor to boot. So yeah, it's a great component, nice characters, and that some of them never even really interact, but yet they know each other. Like Myers and Loomis don't really have any scenes until Loomis has blown them away. But we know they do the backstory. Spoiler alert the gun and the figure kind of alluded to some of that. I also noticed that again, this is like low budget filmmaking. I get it but when I see some shots of Myers show Myers again, not boy Myers but like 20 year old Myers Myers,

Sal Rodriguez:

okay.

Jason Connell:

He looks pretty. It could be a football player there Right. In the movie, though. A little more slight. I noticed very bulky. There's a shot at him. It's like why he doesn't now. Did they switch people sometimes? Probably not. He wasn't a huge guy

Sal Rodriguez:

was Jason Slyke by today's standards, because I noticed I didn't Jamie Lee Curtis. Jamie Lee Curtis incredibly slender, but probably more apropos for the time. Yeah, then today like by 2003 eyes Holy Cow Jamie Lee Curtis was very slender. But I wouldn't have thought that at 78 because I would have been might have been slender to was sound Rodriguez slender. And so I was I was never slender, but obviously slipper. Definitely slimmer. slimmer.

Jason Connell:

Okay. So you just talked about the Myers mask and I had a question about that the Mike Myers magnet we'll get into the trivia what what it really is but for him to get the mask, Mike Myers went to the hardware store and then got The Mask there.

Sal Rodriguez:

I almost feel like they had to explain how he got the jumpsuit, how he got the mask when they had the robbery. Remember the sheriff was dealing with the robber. What's in

Jason Connell:

Pasadena by the way on mission, right? The hardware is real close to his house now. Yeah.

Sal Rodriguez:

So they Oh yeah, somebody broke in and stole or they say stole Halloween masks, you know, so they're telling us how we got the mask after we already saw him with the mask? Yeah.

Jason Connell:

Okay. And he returns to the scene of the crime because he drives right by.

Sal Rodriguez:

He drives right by and Loomis does not tell his right behind Louis's back.

Jason Connell:

Yeah. That's great shot though. Now, speaking of locations, the babysitting proximity and locations was very interesting to me. Because early in the movie, Lori's father gives her the keys and then she's met by the kid that she would eventually babysit. And then she walks over drops keys off. Mike Meyers puts eyes on her after you know, she doesn't see him of course. And then later, she gets in the car with Annie and they drive for like 1520 minutes they go by the you know, their high smoking reefer plan. They're hot. Ripa Come on, baby. Great song by Blue Oyster Cult, also part of an amazing skit on SNL with Christopher Walken the callback scene to Tintin. So yeah, who knew all this was happening? So yeah, they're trying to pin like, they're not high like, Hey, Dad, what's happening here? But after they leave him, they drive off. It's like sunset, and they finally get to the babysitting houses. It's like, oh, wait a second. They live so close to at least Laurie does, I guess all of them do right by Mike Meyers house. And then later in the movie, when Loomis finds the car, which is right up the street, three blocks down from the Meyers house. He's only walking distance to the babysitting homes. But yeah, they had the drive, maybe they were high and they just went for a joyride. And they

Sal Rodriguez:

explained it away that hey, listen, we're gonna smoke this joint before we get to our location.

Jason Connell:

Maybe that's it, but but really, those things are all close proximity, very, very close. And also funny that if someone's going to babysit one kid, I know from growing up having younger siblings and sometimes being the de facto babysitter, and then other kids have to come over or when I was really young, and it was a bunch of us cousins, one babysitter would like you know, wrangle a few kids. It wouldn't be Laurie and Annie babysitting, they'd probably just hire one of them. And they just double up because kids are on opposite sides of the street. Especially

Sal Rodriguez:

on Halloween night. You know you'd make it a slow morning make it a fun night their their watches scaring her party. It wouldn't make sense.

Jason Connell:

And also kind of funny that there's parents are never there. Like when did Halloween night become? We got to go play bingo. Or we're going to movie tonight. When was that? I guess it's the 70s because in the beginning, six year old Mike Meyers parents are out. And then later, there's no parents and I get it. It's a great device. Get the parents out of there. It's awesome. And have more babysitters and have more kids and have more locations. all makes sense. But our parents are out man. I'm

Sal Rodriguez:

imagining Jason. Yeah, in the late 70s. Parents were having a great time on Halloween night leaving their kids with babysitters. Yeah, they I don't know who knows what they're doing. Probably Quaaludes. Breakway leads. But

Jason Connell:

I'm calling BS because I remember in 7879 and 1881. walking in the streets with my parents on Halloween trick or treating together as a family. Really? Yeah. In Tulsa. And Tulsa, Oklahoma. Yeah, anyway,

Sal Rodriguez:

I'm trying to No, I'm just trying to think if my mom I do remember there was a time when my mom walked with me. But then there was a time later when she didn't I think she might have stopped walking with me. Once I hit around. She drove her left. Maybe Yeah.

Jason Connell:

So I also love this is another homage Loomis describing Myers doll eyes. Such an homage to Quint describing the shark eyes and jaws. He's got dialyze shark's eyes. And then he's describing the evil and Myers eyes I thought was a great scene. And I love those you know when he's sharing all that exposition and just the backstory on Mike Myers to the sheriff really good stuff because who else hasn't talked to anybody else? He's really I mean the the nurse in the beginning and beginning the car, but it's really about him sharing with the sheriff. They be Jason kind of tight. Maybe

Sal Rodriguez:

that's why some people are a lot of people actually I've learned as a toy collector actually. A lot of people are afraid of dolls. Maybe that's why it's like you have these eyes but they're lifeless eyes.

Jason Connell:

lifeless eyes. So then another homage what plays on TV so what movie do we see play on TV?

Sal Rodriguez:

Okay, this I only caught yesterday. I only caught this yesterday. Hello? Because yeah, saw the movie didn't pay attention. Yesterday. I'm realizing the thing. thing is playing on TV. The original thing, they ran out of space, I believe it was called, that was then remade, rebooted by Mr. John Carpenter himself. And I think was 1983 I think, maybe 82. Such an Easter egg. I will consider that an easter egg to the fan, because I'm watching a carpenter movie. And there's a movie on TV that he later reboots it pretty amazing.

Jason Connell:

Yeah, it was 80 to one of my faves that and Christine all of them, but it's amazing. And it's on TV. And then of course, he would later remake the thing and make it its own thing. And it's already had another

Sal Rodriguez:

another email. Yes. Pre prequel. The Oh,

Jason Connell:

yeah, yes. Yeah. Because it Yeah, it's supposed to be before but it was made after 2011 enjoyable, but nothing like carpenters. And yeah, that was really cool. And then I love that suspense when Annie is going to do her laundry because the laundry is like in another unit. Yeah. side of the house. Yeah. And there's no lights lights are never working in a horror movie. But she doesn't get killed in there. But the suspense the music in your that's what I love. It holds back. There's not that many killings in this movie. I mean, relatively speaking for a slasher movie, but it's like she's not killed then. But later so she would get killed fall to her demise because she was she parked in the garage, which I thought was also interesting. She's a babysitter. And she pulled that car way up at those detached garages. I think it's attached its way back she could just parked on the street. But of course he's waiting in the car but your guards down because you're expected him in every moment. And finally, there he is.

Sal Rodriguez:

Well, in that little scene, she goes to the car cars locked, goes to get the keys back I can just opens the door. So somehow Michael Myers had gotten in that car. He's like a locksmith. Not only does this guy know how to drive, he's like a locksmith. He knew how to get into that car without breaking anything. That's

Jason Connell:

true. Now, here's a question for you. Yeah. And this also deals with the era the time because we had to remember things differently than we do now. But Lydia, played by PJ souls, she somehow knows the phone number of the house that Laurie is at babysitting. Maybe she babysits there sometimes I get it. But I was impressed. Like, Oh, these are not even do to do I think it was it? Maybe it was Rotary. And so it's like she's calling her Hey, what's up? Oh, my, my gosh, how does she know that number? And even if she babysat there, there was a time Sabol we had to log away numbers, because that's what you had to do. Yeah,

Sal Rodriguez:

before computers, you had to just memorize a lot of numbers or carry a little phonebook with you. But yeah, we had a lot of numbers memorized, I think, I don't know growing up, I probably had no less than 10 numbers memorized. You know, you got your own number. Can

Jason Connell:

you give me one? Give me one. Do you remember one of your numbers?

Sal Rodriguez:

980 2084? Those were that was one, zero

Jason Connell:

20. Hang on, what's the area code?

Sal Rodriguez:

That was a one eight, or actually at the time might have been 213? All right. Hey,

Jason Connell:

no, I don't we're not come on. Give me the whole thing. Okay, well,

Sal Rodriguez:

let me be clear here. To the uninitiated, the 818 area code in the San Fernando Valley was once a part of the 213 area code. And this was even before the 310 area code ever came along. So my phone number was 81898. Sorry, 213-980-2084. There we go.

Jason Connell:

Wow. Okay. I can remember one of mine as well. Growing up it was 918-865-2065. Call it 2065. I always remember that one. And there were more but that was when I had that right age. We just had to log it away. But anyway, so that's

Sal Rodriguez:

impressive. Sorry, one more thing I wanted to comment on. Just the phrase of babysitting jumps out at me. And there's a lot of babysitting happening in this movie. That was almost its own sub genre of the slasher genre is like the babysitting. I remember there was that movie when a stranger calls you remember when she was babysitting?

Jason Connell:

Yeah, their calls coming from inside the house. So I

Sal Rodriguez:

think for a while our car culture. Go

Jason Connell:

look at the kids. Go check on the kids. The prank calls coming in.

Sal Rodriguez:

Oh, that movie was terrifying because it tire Babysitting is terrifying. It's scary to babies that spa in the early 80s, late 70s It didn't come

Jason Connell:

out before Halloween. That movie was an idea like okay, we could you know, we could really tap into this and terrify people. I saw that movie with a crowd of people walk crowded people, a bunch of people at a party. were young, and the parents are watching. It's one of those times where the parents and kids are all watching a movie. A scary movie lights off. It must have been 15 people in the room. I wanted to run outside the window like just like you know, like the Kool Aid guy. I was so scared like if I was inside that movie If I would have run for it, like, terrified me, so I looked it up very quickly came out 1979 after Halloween, and Carol Kane played the babysitter. And just that little sequence was so terrifying crank call crank call go check on the kids. She calls the cops they run a trace they call back and say the calls coming from inside the house. That's all you needed to be the biggest scare. Fear. That was real fear inside of us viewers. It was also fun when a movie could do that to you. Right like oh my god, it was like really just so visceral. So I kind of missed that although as a kid you can only handle so much and then you have to watch like cartoons later some Tom and Jerry. Just to relax. Take the edge off. Yeah, I was. That was something else but good. Good call there.

Sal Rodriguez:

Yeah, I would never volunteer to babysit because I ain't trying to get killed. I ain't trying to get kill.

Jason Connell:

So memorable kills in this movie. Speaking of kills, when Michael Myers kills Bob like that's where his slight self shows his strength he holds bob up on the Oh yeah, you didn't see that very often. Like wow, he's got like this superhuman strength holds him in the air. But it's so smartly shot. Yeah, credit the John Carpenter. And also I didn't even mention this so far, but just the camera movement. Yeah, I should have started with that. Like the opening sequence when young Mike Myers six years old is going for the kill. It's in the mask the mask POV you don't really see anything but you see enough. So it's like wow, that the music the new style camera movement like steadicam? And then showing someone being held up in the air. All you need to see is their feet are dangling. Like you don't really need to tell us how you're doing it. Give us the magic will believe it. And he's so good at that. And Sal killing Bob then leads to what which is a great moment in the movie because it brings some a moment to breathe to laugh. some levity to the scary scene, but please tell us Well,

Sal Rodriguez:

speaking of laughing Jason, the first thing I laughed at was so Linda and Bob. They're having sex and it was like 15 seconds. This guy to pump chump Bob is Bob leaves the room. Beer. He's Yeah, he's he's, hey, I'm not saying I haven't been there. I've never been there. Okay, he leaves to go get beers. He gets killed. Yes. And then Michael Myers, impersonates Bob putting a sheet over his head and putting his glasses on over the sheet. So we have effectively Michael Myers impersonating Bob impersonating a ghost. It's like a trifecta. And NECA even released a special edition Michael Myers as Bob the ghost action figure, it was very nice. Well look, it was this very action figure with a sheet over it with the glasses over it very expensive, more expensive than this very figure was Bob the ghost action figure by NECA. It was on the market for a long time secondary market probably still is on eBay right now. Check it out. And it's probably still I would imagine inbox at least 110 bucks today at least

Jason Connell:

sell get a little napkin, make yourself good sell it on a second market. What do you think he this is? So it's such a funny moment, because Mike Myers kills Bob goes to the door of the room that Linda's in, she's naked sitting in the bed, you know, covered up and like, Hey, come on, where's my beer? It easily could have just been Michael Myers and she screams and then we have that song and dance. It was a stroke of genius by the writers, John Carpenter and Deborah Hill to invent something fun. And again, we needed to laugh there. The sheet over the head being a ghost like a cheap ghost wasn't Bob. It was the glasses. He cut out hauls he puts on the glasses. So Mike Myers has a bit of a sense of humor, or he just wanted to play that out. Like there was no rhyme or reason to do it. But for them to do it was great. Because there's a funny exchange like immediately she thinks it's Bob. Bob was my beer. Okay, not gonna say anything. And it kind of plays on and plays on plays on and then again, like they do this so many movies. In this movie in particular, she looks away right on the phone or something because then you can see he's coming for her and, and she's gonna be killed. But I love that moment. And I'd love to see that figure. I was hoping you had it but very costly

Sal Rodriguez:

that I don't have but I'll send you a link so you can see how much it is on eBay. Yeah, that's great.

Jason Connell:

And then this kind of leads to the end because again, this is a very fast linear movie. No kids were harmed, except for Michael Meyers sister in the beginning because she was however, old she was he was six. She was probably a teenager. I

Sal Rodriguez:

think she was 17 round with a guy. Yeah.

Jason Connell:

So she's 11 years older. But beyond that the other kids are babysitting kids. We're all okay. It was the teenagers were not. And this great sequence with Laurie and by the way, there are some wonderful scenes because she takes both kids back to my idea of babysitting more than one child, because Annie wants to go out and get her guide. Have some fun. So then she takes Lindsay, and then they like, you know, they're cooking. They're having fun. She's really a great babysitter, and we really, you know, Laurie wins us over. She's like, all American girl. She's not off, you know, drinking and having sex. She kind of likes a guy, but she's shy. She's a really good babysitter, like she's the girl next door. And that's why we want her to live. Not that we don't want the other ones to live. But in these types of movies. People have to be expendable. Some people

Sal Rodriguez:

do, Jason in this era going back to this definitive era of late 70s. Early 80s promiscuous teens promiscuous teens, yeah, they die. Yeah, yeah. It's like a duck hunt, you know, for promiscuous teens and in the slasher flicks. Because I don't know, do you think maybe the viewer is jealous? Like, it's something in our inner psyche jealous of a promiscuous teen? So yeah, go ahead and kill them. Yeah.

Jason Connell:

Well, verse, the girl who's all American, it's hard. And if they're all doing that, then maybe we would look at I would look past it anyway. But yeah, it was a different time. Yeah, they're doing bad thing so they can die. But then she's good. And she's protecting kids. And you know, the audience is obviously going to root for her maybe a little bit more. I mean, I like Danny. But you also knew Annie was probably not going to make it. Right. This is We thought she was gonna get killed in the laundry room. And then the kids having sex. We didn't know them well enough. So that was more about us, knowing them identifying with them caring about them. Like okay, they're having sex. Meyers is on the loose in the house. And by the way, these houses are creepy because again, there's no lights. It's this

Sal Rodriguez:

creepy and no. Jason, you and I have talked about this map or gate properties. They don't have any gates, you can just walk right up to the front door. I am not a fan of that.

Jason Connell:

Well, we're going to talk about the location in a second. But the sequences with Laurie and Myers are fantastic. The kids are hiding upstairs and then they're hiding in that room. And but I love that she stabs Meyers with a knitting needle, right? That's a great sequence. He comes up with a knife. She's super quick. And she gets him in the neck. And then he's down. Right? He's down. But of course, he's not a normal man. He can overcome being injured, which you hadn't seen. I think that was one of his first injuries. It's like, we're in trouble. Then she hides in the closet. That's another great sequence. He's tearing apart the closet. She's always crying. I didn't notice that Laurie on this viewing. Does cry, align MMS pie more realism, you know, but like, Ah, he knows you're in there. Now you're just and then she gets a hanger cell, takes it apart, gets a pointy side to it and stabs him, I think in the eyeball. I

Sal Rodriguez:

think that's Well, I think we're led to believe she stabbed him in the eye because then when we his mask comes up when we get a good look. We get a pretty good look. I did a freeze frame. Pretty good. Look at adult 21 year old Michael Myers. And he looks like he has left I have some sort of scar but he wouldn't have a scar already from that stabbing. Yet. He has some sort of damage to his left eye. And yeah, when you see him without the mask.

Jason Connell:

I love that. You said freeze frame data do

Sal Rodriguez:

you write? Freeze Frame? Freeze Frame? Is that a song? Jay? Geils

Jason Connell:

MAN Yeah. So that's great. But Myers gets up from their hangar. And it's that great unassisted setup. As you said before we started recording. With great abs. It's

Sal Rodriguez:

my new fitness move. It's the Michael Myers setup. It's the full setup from a prone position.

Jason Connell:

Good. And of course Laura is looking off the other direction. When she kind of knocks him down a little bit. She like lowers her guard, like like all people do in these movies like okay, we're safe now. Not so

Sal Rodriguez:

fast. When they do that, you know what in horror movies when they're like, oh, everything's okay. Now I'm like, I'm like, they're like pulling my hair out. If I had any like, No, we're not safe, chop their head off. We're

Jason Connell:

not safe, keep going. But luckily for Lori and the kids if he was going to even really kill the kids, but luckily Loomis was a astute he's not just a doctor. He's also a pretty good detective, because he kept going around, went to Mike Myers house saw the car went around just looking for strange things. Now of course it's Halloween and maybe it's much later now because I think there'd be a lot of riffraff and it'd be hard to like look through Things You know, even the movie II T, it's Halloween in one scene. It's hard to like, there's so much going on a Halloween early for sure. But but he's like, No, he's looking for anything strange. Kids run out of a house. That's something strange. And then he goes in follows his instincts. The kids make a run for it because that's what Laurie told him to do. Go get help. He goes upstairs Sal. And let's see Loomis, can we see Dr. Loomis, and he's in this mode. He's already got the weapon out. You know, that's it. It's a lot like that

Sal Rodriguez:

is how you created a court. Yeah, yes, sir.

Jason Connell:

What does he do?

Sal Rodriguez:

He shoots Michael Myers. I think he unloads the gun so it must have been six or seven shots. Michael Myers falls off the balcony lands on his back. He did not do an unassisted set up this time.

Jason Connell:

But we don't know. We don't know.

Sal Rodriguez:

Okay, you know what, he did do the unassisted setup. We just didn't see it. Because Luis turns around, he thought it's okay. turns back around. Michael Myers is gone. Yeah,

Jason Connell:

that's a great and it shoots him multiple times goes off outside on the balcony. Boom. checks on Laurie artist is looking at Laurie. And then when he walks over to see obviously I'll see Myers on the ground there. Which is interesting. He stayed down longer from the needle in the neck than he did six shots to the body. That's right. He's gone. And then we're left in the music comes in doo doo doo doo doo. And then it's like, we know that there has to be a sequel, great ending. And by the way, Laurie also fell down stairs, she fell off the second floor and fell all the way down. We thought she had a broken back. I was like that was a serious fall. But you know, she made it upstairs and hid in the closet and led all these other things. But some great stuff again, dark. The whole thing is scary. It's not overly lit. It's scary. There's lots of shadows, and they keep calling in the Boogeyman. The kids are keep referring to him as the boogeyman and I guess that's a good thing to call him because they don't know him as Mike Myers. I don't even know who the hell this guy is. Who is this guy chasing us around? What do we do? You know? But this brings up a sad point. I kept waiting for it this viewing because I hadn't seen the movie in a while but Sheriff Leigh Brackett who's really kind of working with Loomis and Loomis is telling him what to do sometimes No, I'll do this. You go around the back to the house. Okay. Okay, I got he's the sheriff. But what we don't know or he doesn't know is that his daughter Annie was killed and he's doesn't even know Mike Meyers exist yet? You know, because all that's probably coming. Loomis is going to call somebody and then there's going to be this big Tada and all these deaths and we don't see that it cuts when Myers is gone. And and that's that so I made me the second one. I need to go watch the second one again. But yeah, that's so sad. That bracket still is a little bit in disbelief that there's a Myers and now he's got to find out that his daughter was killed.

Sal Rodriguez:

Well, jays have other people if I'm not mistaken, Sheriff Lee Brackett is one of our cast of characters in some of these recent Halloween kills on Halloween. And that's great. Yeah, we may get a little more of a little bit of backstory on his relationship with and might have a vengeance now a little bit, or an anti action figure or a Sheriff Lee bracket action figure.

Jason Connell:

Yeah. Or maybe he'll pull a Roy from one of the Friday 30s And he'll be killer sometimes filling in for Michael does crazy talk. I'm just kidding. But anyway, I really enjoyed it. It plays fast. It cruises right along. I mean, I was thinking about this movie today. Like, wow, we're in high school for like a hot second. But most of these movies would have got caught up and all these filler characters. No, we didn't see Jamie Lee Stroud, look outside see Myers, because again, he's following her. He's tracking her after she drops the keys off. But then we're out of high school, and then we're at the kids elementary for a second, but we just don't waste time. In fact, we never see Lori's mother. We only see her father say, hey, drop these keys off. Like, you know, we just move right along. Hey, we meet a kid in the neighborhood. That kid will be the one that she babysits later. We never meet his parents. And I liked it. I liked that. They just said we don't need it. We don't need it a small movie. You've got to get in and out. You got to be nimble. And they did a great job. He did the lion's share, writing it directing it doing the composing. John Carpenter Bravo for bringing us Halloween 1978 Yeah,

Sal Rodriguez:

you know what I would probably say and declare tonight and tonight only John Carpenter number one horror director of all time, and when I say that, I mean my I mean, my personal favorite, my favorite horror director because I'm thinking of Clive Barker. I'm thinking of Wes Craven. I love that I

Jason Connell:

put him above them.

Sal Rodriguez:

I would I would officially because you know why and

Jason Connell:

I like other directors as well who dip into this genre but don't stay but carpenter some donate a lot of great movies.

Sal Rodriguez:

And one of the things I love I really really love that John Carpenter does his own music, his own score. I love that exam. Because you know what? He's He's like one of those triple threats, right? He can do multiple things, not just the one thing.

Jason Connell:

And music is so key when you get it, right. Like, it's easy to say, oh, it makes the movie. No, it really makes the movie. I've seen a lot of movies that had a lot of elements and bad music. I'll walk away with a bad taste in my mouth. I recently revisited Stephen King's Catseye. And I was like, I forgot about this movie. And it's three different acts. And it's like at played really well. The music sound no offense to the composer. It just didn't match. And I was even thinking, Well, I'd like to see an alt take on this a more toned down less playful music. And I think it's a stronger movie. Now. It's not in this level. But carpenter absolutely delivers. It's haunting. The score lives on I highly recommend people to check it out the whole scores on Spotify. So please do so. And I wanted to also mention that some trivia but I guess it's kind of a trivia adjacent, the houses, so at least this area, so I already talked about Mike Myers house is in South Pasadena. But the main house where she's babysitting, where Lori is babysitting, and then Andy's babysitting across the street that's on a block, right in Hollywood, right in Los Angeles, that I would drive by all the time and take people who are visiting me to this blocks out because it's not palm trees. It's big trees and a canopy kind of street where you don't know you're in Los Angeles. So a perfect Street to use centrally located and that is on Orange Grove Avenue, North Orange Grove to be specific, but the Wallace house I guess that's their name, the Wallace house, the one that Laurie Stroud was babysitting at 1537 North Orange Grove Avenue, Los Angeles, California 90046. And it was just across the street and like one over when I went there, like 15 years ago, I couldn't believe it. So it was just like the movie. I always wanted to go there for Halloween, because I hear it's like a big party. So very cool. I love that they did that. So and they asked you shot in Los Angeles, which doesn't happen enough, Sal, as you know, well,

Sal Rodriguez:

I thought this movie was shot exclusively in Pasadena. And one of the reasons I thought that Jason is because they recently had at the Pasadena Convention Center. H 45. The 45th anniversary official convention, it's every five years. They I guess they had H 30 H 35. Now, H 45. And it was in Pasadena. And then they had in connection with that a tour bus that took people around to the various locations of the movie. Yeah, so I thought this movie was entirely shot in Pasadena. I did not know about this orange grove location.

Jason Connell:

Yeah, well, they would just drive over there and hit the two houses, of course. So the cemetery in which Loomis goes to with the Grave Digger, and they see the tombstones gone. And the tombstone being Michael Myers sister's tombstone that he takes to the house and recreates this whole thing, kind of like honoring his sister, Judith Maloney killed Judith Myers, like so he kills her hangs on to this. He's driven by this evil spirit, and then puts this whole thing and it was in her old room. But that is Sierra Madre. That is right adjacent to all hombre. And in Arcadia, and South Pasadena, and San Marino. So there are some things that aren't in South Pass. But a lot of it though, is right there on South paths and on mission as well as the new location for the Meyers house. I

Sal Rodriguez:

have a new appreciation for Pasadena and I'm always reminded of the Mildred Pierce movies both the classic Joan Crawford and then the the newer one with the British gal name escapes me. Yeah, but they did shot a lot in Pasadena. But yeah, I like some areas of Pasadena are just downright really nice. They've got a nice, super nice, what do you call it? upper middle class look to them? Yeah, really to have those?

Jason Connell:

Yeah, it's all those craftsmans. And if you go by the Mike Meyers house, if you go down the street, right in that area, you get the Teen Wolf house, Michael J. Fox house, you have Back to the Future house, when they go back in time and where they lived. Michael J. Fox or get another Michael J. Fox with Michael J. Fox was in Pasadena, South Pasadena a lot in the 80s. But when he goes back with his mother, who's his age that their houses their Doc Brown's house is so beautiful. It's the gamble house. It's a museum and I've done the tour. But when they cut, it's a beautiful it's the biggest, most beautiful craftsman I've ever seen. It's real close to the Rose Bowl. And when they went inside the house in the movies, since it's a museum, they actually cheated it for another craftsman in San Marino, which I drove by one day sound said that looks awfully familiar. Like it looks like it could have had Back to the Future there. And I pulled over and looked it up. And that was the house had the interiors because I didn't want them in there. So all a lot of these things happen in that area. The player was shot at the reality of theater over there. Great Robert Altman movie, Christine, the house from Christine, where he lived was in Pasadena, South Pasadena. I would get on my scooter back in the day and go around there because it's a lot easier to be on a scooter and pull over and like oh, there it is. Get some photos and I love it. Man. That area. I recommend it. The madmen house is in South Pasadena father the bride house. So so many iconic homes. We need to have a tour business.

Sal Rodriguez:

I think it's really great. And I want to visit Pasadena. Now,

Jason Connell:

again, you live close. I know my way. Now I live

Sal Rodriguez:

close because I do find myself in San Marino on occasion. I do find myself with Huntington gardens on occasion. So I'm going to take a visit. Take a tour through South Pass next time.

Jason Connell:

Pee Wee's Big Adventure. I've been to his house. So over there, South paths or paths like there's a line you know, some of them are South Pasadena, some are passing. Yeah, they're all the same. They're all right. They're beautiful. Beautiful. Shout out. And dude, it's one of my favorite places. I was always an East sider. Always a nice cider. And by the way, the gamble house is a museum and it is at four Westmoreland place pasadena 91103. Check that out. Just drive by I used to take people and say okay, now look and pull over and they just, it's so beautiful. It's breathtaking. And that's dark browns house, the exterior. from Back to the Future. I'll check it out. So now we have a little bit of trivia and wrap up this exciting episode of Halloween. just rewatched. And here we go sound because I know you're going to help me out with some of it with the inflation calculator. I know he's coming. Yes. So the story of Halloween is based on an experience John Carpenter had in college touring a psychiatric hospital, carpenter met a child who had doll eyes, who stared at him with a look of evil. And it terrified me, said John Carpenter. And that was the jumping off point to writing this psychotic killer. So amazing. You got to have inspiration somewhere, Sal. And that was it. You know,

Sal Rodriguez:

Jason, this, this idea that a child can be evil speaking of as an aside, but related, my mother told me she needed some chores done at her house, she invited three little kids over to help pick up leaves or whatever. And she believes she told me recently that one of these kids she thinks is evil. Wow, she thinks one of the little boys was evil. So like when when it came time to pay them at the end of the day, she just wanted to pay this kid and get him the hell out of there because this kid was evil. So I guess some children can be evil and I'm thinking back to when I was a kid. I think back to when I was a kid. There were definitely some kids that I think were evil to me to me. They were evil, like, like I saw them as evil kids. Number one kid killed a hamster right in front of me. That's to me if that's not an evil kid. I don't know what that is. So yeah, kids can be evil like Michael Myers.

Jason Connell:

So why don't you take this next one short trivia but very interesting.

Sal Rodriguez:

I found this very interesting. And I would like to duplicate this at some point. The stabbing sound effect. The stabbing effect was produced by stabbing a watermelon they stabbed a watermelon to get that fleshy sound.

Jason Connell:

It sounds amazing.

Sal Rodriguez:

It's a disturbing sound. It's a disturbance on

Jason Connell:

psycho. It was like an instrument. You know, it was like a violin or something? Yes. Yeah. But in this it was a watermelon you hear hitting something clearly something dense. Amazing. Yeah, I did not know that. So it's incredible. Now I've talked about this a little bit already, but John Carpenter considered while I talked about John Carpenter's love of psycho, but John Carpenter considered the hiring of Jamie Lee Curtis as the ultimate tribute to Sir Alfred Hitchcock, who had given her mother Curtis, his mother, Janet Lee, legendary status in psycho 1960. And for the same reason cell, Dr. Sam Loomis was named after Sam Loomis from psycho. So there are some tips of the cat for you right there. Turns out Jamie Lee Curtis would have a great career and staying power and she was in that horror lane for a while Tara train and she was making scary movies and then she became you know, a more bonafide actress and Janet Lee of course. Interesting that Lee spelled the same was also the name of the sheriff. Lot a little tipsy cap.

Sal Rodriguez:

Yeah, I want to reiterate that for the newbies for the uninitiated, because I don't take for granted history, let alone movie history. But yes, Jamie Lee Curtis his mother was Janet Lee, who was killed in the shower scene, the iconic shower scene in the original set. I call by Alfred Hitchcock.

Jason Connell:

It would have only been better if Jamie Lee Curtis was Annie, and she was killed or Linda, but she lived

Sal Rodriguez:

true, but then we wouldn't been able to have her in subsequent.

Jason Connell:

I know, well, they didn't plan on that. You know, there could have been more psychos and there were but I mean, a lot more. But okay, here's a really interesting one and one that we need to talk about. I know you'll be chiming in on but because of the film's tight budget, that production designer Tommy Lee Wallace had to use whatever he had at his disposal, when he created the Michael Myers mask, he made two versions. So the first one was a dawn post Emmett Kelly smiling clown mask with frizzy red hair, which appeared very demented and creepy. So what does that remind you of? Well,

Sal Rodriguez:

a clown mask was reminiscent then of the first mask that we see in the back. Oh, yeah, exactly. Right. Yes. That's what that would be like. So you can imagine then, it would have looked something.

Jason Connell:

Wait. Oh my god. We're just kind of

Sal Rodriguez:

like going through my adult Michael Myers wearing the original child, Michael Myers mask, but instead, we wound up with the class. And

Jason Connell:

we did that because the other mask that Wallace made was a 1975. Wait for it. Captain James T. Kirk, and that would be of what franchise? Well,

Sal Rodriguez:

that would have have to have been a Star Trek mask. And I didn't even know that they made those. And who

Jason Connell:

played James T. Kirk?

Sal Rodriguez:

Jason. Well, I was watching Halloween on crackle just yesterday on Halloween, Rachael. You gotta watch commercials. They had a commercial real quick. It was so fast, I think was a preview of an upcoming show. And guess who's in it? Oh, William Shatner, amazing. was in a little commercial during the Halloween. Yeah, that's James T. Kirk portrayed by William Shatner.

Jason Connell:

And he purchased Wallace that is this mask for$1.98. Now, Sal, this is a 1978. Get your inflation calculator ready? How much is that in today's world? In

Sal Rodriguez:

today's world,$1.98 in 1978 would be in 2023 $9.48, which is still a steal of a deal for a Halloween mask, especially a nice quality one.

Jason Connell:

I don't think they had this in mind when they've cranked out the 1975 Captain James T. Kirk mass it would go on and have a bigger life. And the Halloween franchise it probably wasn't the plan. But well done Wallace. Now they made some alterations, because show Mike Myers again. It does not look like Kirk. I'm sorry. It doesn't look like Captain Kirk. It just doesn't. Because owl, they had the eyebrows and sideburns ripped off. The face painted bluish white, which it does like that. And the hair spray painted Brown. And then the eyes were opened up more. And doing so made this mask much creepier because it was emotionless. Much like that kid in the hospital that carpenter saw when he was in college. So it works. Well. I thought I'd heard this before. And I guess it's wrong, that it was a James T Kirk mask inside out. Like they just roll it up and roll it inside out. But they made these alterations. And that's what happened. It was emotionless, creepier. And it's true. You don't need a mask to be very expressive. And then of course, another franchise will take an idea like this and run with it. And that would be What Sal?

Sal Rodriguez:

Oh, yeah, that would be of course Friday, the 13th and the iconic Jason hockey mask. In fact, just yesterday I was in a store. I saw a little hockey little it was like a little plaque had hockey players on there. One of them had a mask. And guess what, as soon as I saw this plaque, I didn't think hockey. I thought Friday 13th Jason, there you go. And then the second thought was, oh, no, this is actual hockey memorabilia. Oh,

Jason Connell:

yeah. They play hockey to us, right. Yeah, that was a stroke of genius. The hockey mask is fantastic. It's very iconic. But there you go. That's the backstory on the mask. Fascinating. Sal, we've got to get more of these collectibles to add to your list here. I

Sal Rodriguez:

would Jason I saw a friend of mine attended the H 45. In fact, two friends of mine attended the h4 convention in Pasadena. Yeah. And they took pictures of some masks that were there. Some screen used masks. And man, they look great. They look scary. They look really good. There's probably at this point, a whole slew of these masks in particularly ones that were used on screen.

Jason Connell:

Wow. Well, this is the last trivia I have before we sign off. And this is a good one and I'll need your help again with that calculator but with a bunch should have$300,000 with a 20 day shoot, the film went on to gross $47 million at the US box office. Now, that number could be higher, this number could have been 10 years old or whatever. But you can already see just how massive of a hit it was. And Halloween is definitely one of the most successful independent films of all time. But Sal, how much would that be today using your inflation calculator? How successful was this movie?

Sal Rodriguez:

Jason? I want to start first at the $300,000. Okay, so $300,000.97 Eight is the equivalent in 2023 of nearly$1,500,000. Yeah, that's where that was. So the inflation calculator unfortunately does not let you put in anything above 10 million, so heavily and so I had to do these these multiples. But what we learned then, is in the equivalent of today's dollars, the movie made about $200 million.

Jason Connell:

And that's just this first movie, not the merch, not the sequels, yada, yada, yada, not the score, this movie has not died. I mean, carpenter didn't even have to really, he didn't need to make a bunch of the things that they like, it does make really good movies that were close to him. He probably didn't want to stay in this lane. But he probably wrote, you know, cash those checks, and said, Okay, sure. Okay. Yeah, go ahead. I'd love to know his deal. Right, like, did he get points? Because he had so many hats? Like, I'll just take a low salary. Can we say that this is gonna be a small movie? Like those are fascinating things to find out if we could, but I'm sure he did well, and set the stage for what he would work on next. So what an incredible movie.

Sal Rodriguez:

I feel like we can even just carpenter action figures. You know, it's unheard of. It's not unheard of. For them to make these action figures. We wouldn't think they would like for example, they've got a whole line of classic stand up comedian action figures coming out. You've got Lenny Bruce coming out Joan Rivers coming out. One more which escapes me. You could conceivably have oh, they made a Stan Lee Marvel Comics, Stan, I

Jason Connell:

can see that he's kind of a character to okay, you

Sal Rodriguez:

can make a John Carpenter Jason Soule. Podcasting. I will buy it. I will buy my own behind you.

Jason Connell:

I love that.

Sal Rodriguez:

I'll put a Jason behind me you put a cell behind you. Oh, that's great. What else

Jason Connell:

out anything else? Before we sign off? This has been a really great episode. I knew we'd go over the hour mark. Easy, because there's just a lot to unpack here. And we didn't even do a scene by scene breakdown. But we really got into the weeds and it was a lot of fun.

Sal Rodriguez:

Well, Jason, you asked me You said, hey, Sal, I want to watch a movie on Halloween. Let's both watch a movie on Halloween. I said great. You said what should we watch? I said, Well, aside from the Halloween franchise, there are a few movies that I think of as Halloween movies. Yeah, you got movies that are scary. Right? And you got some movies that have Halloween elements. But if you're going to watch a movie on Halloween, well, I think it's got to be one of the Halloween movies for sure. And that's what we did. So we enjoyed Halloween yesterday. You in Rhode Island me in California. And now here we are talking about it. So there's been a lot of fun. It

Jason Connell:

has been and I really pushed for Halloween three seasons of the witch. And now

Sal Rodriguez:

I did not I have you're gonna watch that though. Trust me, you're gonna like it.

Jason Connell:

I am going to watch it. I'll do it in order even though it's got nothing to do with anything. I find it humorous that this installment exists, but we did it Sal, we did it. I'm proud of us. And we may come back and break down or at least talk about some of the other movies in the franchise. There's a lot of them, but I'll probably from a viewing standpoint, I'll revisit Halloween to 1981 next, oh, Loomis is going at it again. And I'll

Sal Rodriguez:

be here playing with my Sam, Sam Loomis, and Michael Myers action figures well

Jason Connell:

done. So without further ado, please enjoy Halloween. So thank you so much for listening. And please be sure to subscribe to the let's talk movies podcast and the let's talk movies YouTube channel. You can also really help us by giving the show a five star rating on Apple podcast

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